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[–]Site_rly_sux 5 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 0 fun6 insightful - 1 fun -  (20 children)

Lol this is coded messaging to their believers.

When they say "criminal terrorists did this", it's code for "and we'll put on a show trial before poisoning them"

When they say "the nezelezhnya ukronazi schweinreich did this" it's code for "so let's throw another meat wave at Bakhmut and never strike the enemy decision centres or tunnels or the bridges over the dneipr"

When they say "America/NATO/the collective west did this", it's a symbol intended to mean: "we are totally at a loss for how to respond to this so we'll blame the nebulous, distant all-powerful force as an excuse for why we can't respond"

I mean, obviously nobody thinks American servicemen are firing off the 1970s soviet drones over the Kerch straights. (Unless you're severely braindamaged)

They're not saying it because they believe it, or even because they think their readers will believe it.

It a dog whistling coded terminology to mean "we are totally powerless and at a loss for how to respond"

[–]zyxzevn[S] 3 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 2 fun -  (5 children)

Sadly, you don't know the history of Ukraine and the CIA enough, to have any meaningful reply.

[–]cunt_esq 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

Sadly - there is no reason to believe anything claimed by the Russian government. If you'd like to believe them, see if you can find corrobrating evidence (you won't be able to).

[–]zyxzevn[S] 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

Do you know that the CIA killed their own president?
And do you know how they flew airplanes into the twin-towers?
That is why I don't trust anything the CIA and their other puppets.

[–]Site_rly_sux 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

The CIA aren't telling you anything. It's TASS and Peskov who are putting out the statement here. It's them who you're just blindly believing because you're a moron

[–]cunt_esq 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Do you know? An honest approach to worthwhile investigative problems like these starts with questions, not answers.

[–]Site_rly_sux 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Lol how did you determine that?

Okay smart ass. Did you read this and really think that uniformed American servicemen are launching 1970s soviet drones over the Kerch straight or something. Is that what you understood from reading this? Or did you, also, think that this was probably ruZ propaganda.

The propagandists don't think it was America. They didn't say this, hoping that you would believe it was America.

The purpose in this statement is to gently let down the ura-patriots who expect immediate reprisals against the Dill Ukreich

[–]Musky 3 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 2 fun -  (13 children)

Russia is tanking the price of oil and it's costing the US energy sector while strengthening Russia.

The US has been known to provide targets for Ukraine.

This is a target we would want hit.

I'm sure a Ukranian "pushed the button" so very technically the US probably did not do this directly.

But it's a safe bet we facilitated this.

obviously nobody thinks American servicemen are firing off the 1970s soviet drones over the Kerch straights. (Unless you're severely braindamaged)

I don't know what you're talking about. What do old school soviet reconnaissance drones have to do with this

[–]Site_rly_sux 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (12 children)

Dude your takes are so, so bad.

Ruzzia relies on the cost of a barrel of Ural crude oil being over $100 /barrel [1]

That means that unless the oil market prices oil at higher than $100/barrel, the ruz are drilling it at a loss.

The Z is absolutely reliant on high energy prices, because otherwise India and China can buy cheaper from the Saudis. If Z oil is more expensive than Saudi or whatever open market oil, then Z oil will not be bought.

So for you to claim that Z is deliberately keeping the world oil price low is laughable. For you to additionally add that low oil prices....cost? the US industry is again, nuts. In a world where natural gas is an unwanted byproduct of Texas fracking, the domestic energy extraction, refinement and electricity companies ARE NOT tied to the world oil market. It's not 2003 any more. You don't know what you're talking about and sound like a moron.

The US has been known to provide targets for Ukraine.

This is a target we would want hit.

I'm sure a Ukranian "pushed the button" so very technically the US probably did not do this directly.

But it's a safe bet we facilitated this.

You should tell that to Maria Zakharova and Dmitri Peskov who are quoted saying the exact opposite in propaganda like Tass and zerohedge.

Also you should again try and research the things you type so you don't sound so ridiculous.

Every single himars launch is validated with the Americans. But this is not himars. This is doodlebugs.

They're attacking fuel silos around Crimea for obvious reasons that have absolutely nothing to do with the oil price. This is not an attack on oil. This is to deprive their enemy of fuel before the counterattack.

It's really indicative of how fucked in the head the Z are. Their winter offensive targeted Soledar, Bakhmut, Adviyika, Vuhledar, and other Donestsk Oblast cities.

And to support their meat offensives they launch Kinjals and cruise missiles at apartment blocks and schools the length of Ukraine.

When Ukraine is firing missiles to support the offsensive, they pick out strategic and sensible targets that are integrated within their overall military aims. When ruzzia is on the offsensive, they target distant apartment blocks and playgrounds.

What do old school soviet reconnaissance drones have to do with this

Those are the doodlebugs [2]. At least you asked this time instead of pretending you knew.

At the start of the war, Ukraine started up a production line of old soviet recon drones, with updates batteries, GPS, etc. They now have 75+ domestic production lines going for all different types of mission profile [3]. [4]

As to the Soviet 1970s drones in particular. You can read how the TU-141 has been used in attacks all over ruzzia including the Engels airfield on the other side of moscow. When Ukraine does long range drone bomber attacks today, they're usually one of the old soviet style models.

1 https://www.spglobal.com/commodityinsights/en/market-insights/latest-news/oil/013123-russias-economic-gap-with-key-opec-allies-widens-adding-to-policy-debate#:~:text=S%26P%20Global%20Commodity%20Insights%20estimates,to%20its%20overall%20budget%20spending.

2 https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/V-1_flying_bomb

3 https://mind.ua/en/news/20254473-ukraine-launches-mass-production-of-drones-with-an-autonomous-flight-range-of-up-to-3100-km

4 https://news.yahoo.com/ukrainian-government-facilitates-mass-drone-182446013.html

5 https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tupolev_Tu-141

[–]Musky 3 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 2 fun -  (7 children)

Ruzzia relies on the cost of a barrel of Ural crude oil being over $100 /barrel

From your source: S&P Global Commodity Insights estimates Russia's fiscal breakeven oil price at $114/b in 2023, up from $64.47/b before its invasion of Ukraine, as the Kremlin's outgoings to fund the war add to its overall budget spending.

An oil-exporting country's "fiscal breakeven" oil price is the minimum price per barrel that the country needs in order to meet its expected spending needs while balancing its budget

Russia would need to sell their oil at $114/b to balance the budget with the war. I don't know you can say they rely on that.

That means that unless the oil market prices oil at higher than $100/barrel, the ruz are drilling it at a loss.

So that is incorrect. Their cost of production is $40 something a barrel. Russia is selling oil at a profit but not enough to offset the cost of the war.

Also you should again try and research the things you type so you don't sound so ridiculous.

Hahahaha, take your own advice there. I didn't know about the drones, I asked.

For you to additionally add that low oil prices....cost? the US industry is again, nuts. In a world where natural gas is an unwanted byproduct of Texas fracking, the domestic energy extraction, refinement and electricity companies ARE NOT tied to the world oil market. It's not 2003 any more.

It's not always an unwanted byproduct, and the 50% drop in natural gas prices from last year is most definitely tied to the market.

You don't know what you're talking about and sound like a moron.

Use your big boy words.

[–]Site_rly_sux 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (5 children)

I am totally lost by what you're trying to say here.

First you told me that ruzzia is driving down the oil price to hurt America. ("Russia is tanking the price of oil and it's costing the US energy sector while strengthening Russia.")

I think you're now walking that back?

As to 114 Vs 40 cost per barrel.

The valuation methods differ. As you read in my link, to meet current outgoings they need $114 per barrel.

The actual cost to get it out the ground is basically free when you're a mafia gas station

https://www.rosneft.com/upload/site2/document_file/a_report_2021_eng.pdf

unit operating expenses in hydrocarbon production were kept at a minimum level of USD 2.7 per boe, down 3.6% vs 2020.

https://www.vedomosti.ru/business/characters/2019/02/21/794795-zamministra-doinaya-gigantskii-zakazchik

Russia has an advantage - low cost. On average, operating costs in Russia are $3–10 per barrel, another $5–10 are capital costs, and transportation is $5. Total $25 per barrel is our prime cost. With the devaluation of the ruble, the cost also decreases.

However, the reason they need $114 and not $2.50 is because of all the other things needed to run an oil well in Siberia:

  1. Need to make sure nobody takes it off you

  2. For that you need the siloviki

  3. And for that you need to satisfy the ruZ cultural needs for imperialism

  4. And for that you need to invade free Ukraine

Suddenly the $2.50 has become $114.

So either way you're totally wrong when you claim Z is keeping oil prices low to hurt America.

It's not always an unwanted byproduct

Oh that's interesting musky, glad you were able to come to that completely uneducated ignorant conclusion. So all the flaring visible from space happening in Texas and nebraska will soon come to an end once they realise that musky doesn't think the gas is unwanted.

Use your big boy words.

Okay. You have really bad takes, because of the massive blind spots in your worldview. The blind spots happen because your brain thinks you already know an answer and don't need to do any research at all. The effect is that you come off sounding moronic. You should actually checks the facts about the things you're about to type, because otherwise you run into situations where you just told someone living in Texas that the flared gasses on the top of the wells and refineries aren't actually unwanted byproducts of the fracking

[–]Musky 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (4 children)

I am totally lost by what you're trying to say here.

I was addressing some of your points. I'm not walking anything back. Higher global oil prices benefit the US. It makes domestic production and exploration more worthwhile. We don't buy foreign oil. Destabilizing the oil prices benefits Russia in a number of ways, even if their fiscal budget isn't balanced. They're cozying up to the Saudis, India, various Asian countries I don't know the specifics on. You can practically see the Russo-Sino coalition of 50s science fiction forming before you very eyes. They're dethroning the petrodollar.

In every possible way, Russia's refinery blowing is good for the US.

, to meet current outgoings they need $114 per barrel. However, the reason they need $114 and not $2.50 is

To balance their budget.

Oh that's interesting musky, glad you were able to come to that completely uneducated ignorant conclusion. So all the flaring visible from space happening in Texas and nebraska will soon come to an end once they realise that musky doesn't think the gas is unwanted.

Natural gas wells exist, there's no need for hysterics.

You should actually checks the facts about the things you're about to type,

We give Ukraine targets, and that's a target we'd want hit. It's not really complicated, it's just common sense. To me it seems like you're obfuscating my point with a whole bunch of tangentially related subjects.

[–]Site_rly_sux 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

Ukraine is managing a war without ongoing American direction. There's absolutely no indication that they need American help to find a static, massive, google-maps-locatable oil facility in the province next door.

There's absolutely no evidence nor it is even logical that they'd need American help to find or target this facility. The drones are mass produced. They are probably launched in volumes we don't even know about with a huge failure rate (very often, for months now, we see stories like "random Ukrainian drone crashed in random place in Moscow region"). There is no logical requirement for America to be involved in the targetting of thousands of drones.

I don't know why you defaulted to believing tass and zerohedge. You didnt have any evidence, but it sounded nice, and so ticks a number of your blind spots.

Destabilizing the oil prices benefits Russia

Oh sorry does tanking mean destabilizing. So when something goes unstably up and down and side to side, that's called "tanking", to you?

[–]Musky 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Ukraine is managing a war without ongoing American direction. There's absolutely no indication that they need American help to find a static, massive, google-maps-locatable oil facility in the province next door

I find it improbable we are not providing Ukraine with all the assistance we can. We have given them intelligence before, we train their troops, provide their weapons, and I assume we provide strategic and tactical insights.

It makes sense we're doing everything in our power to help.

Oh sorry does tanking mean destabilizing. So when something goes unstably up and down and side to side, that's called "tanking", to you?

Without Russian oil, prices would be higher. Their ability to defy our embargo is affecting oil prices. Maybe tanking wasn't the best word choice, idk, but that's nitpicky.

Just for the record, I support Ukraine, not Russia.

[–]cunt_esq 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

Musky - he's answered your points very well, with very good evidence and arguments. And he notes: "I don't know why you defaulted to believing tass and zerohedge." That's a very good point. What you've provided is guesswork. What I don't understand is why you'd want to make unfounded claims that support Russian disinformation. I don't understand why you would support a government that's in the process of genociding Ukrainians. I don't understand why anyone would do that.

[–]Musky 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

What you've provided is guesswork

Exactly. My comment was an educated guess, and it makes sense, and it fits.

he's answered your points very well

He's off on a tangent.

I don't understand why you would support a government that's in the process of genociding Ukrainians.

You mean Russia. I don't support Russia. I'm all for what we're doing, the US. That doesn't mean I can't comment honestly on it.

Although without US support the Ukranians would have already lost and wouldn't still be getting slaughtered. I don't know how you think you're supporting the Ukranian people exactly. I support the Ukranian side because it serves US interests. I feel for the Ukranian people being used like this, I really do, but I think in the long run it's going to be better for everyone to oppose Russia's empire building.

I hope "they" blow up 10 more refineries.

[–][deleted] 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Use your big boy words.

That one stung.

[–]cunt_esq 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

Excellent points, site, as always. Cheers

[–][deleted] 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

he doesn't seem to be responding to your daily compliments. maybe you should suck him off.

[–]Site_rly_sux 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (1 child)

I don't want to be partial towards comments which favour my view versus those which don't. But I am happy to hear from the cuntish gentleman

[–]cunt_esq 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

BP no longer has the pussy munchies, for various personal reasons, but he also offers on occasion a BJ for some sushi. So his response is perhaps not unsurprising. Still, his love of sushi could betray his claim that he no longer has the pussy munchies.

[–]Alphix 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (1 child)

Well... Yeah. But the C4 was made in Canada so... Maybe a bit of NAFTA sprinkled over NATO?

[–]Site_rly_sux 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

What's the reference here? I didn't get what you mean

[–]zyxzevn[S] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

I think people miss that this is about an attack on the Oil Refinery.

[–]zyxzevn[S] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Debunking Kiev & Blinken's Latest Lie
Returning to the false flag conspiracy theory that Kiev and Blinken are propagating by innuendo, there’s no credible reason to believe this blatant lie. Considering that few are expected to fall for this fake news, it can therefore be interpreted as them provoking the Kremlin by way of mockery since nobody in their right mind would ever believe this. They both seem convinced that Russia won’t overwhelmingly or at least reciprocally respond to this assassination attempt, but patriots hope that it’ll finally surprise them.