Glenn Greenwald: Nothing Trump Did Compares to the 'Moral Evil' of Bush's and Obama's Wars

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[–]jykylsin2034 10 insightful - 2 fun10 insightful - 1 fun11 insightful - 2 fun -  (56 children)

Trump sold us out to Israel, he did exactly what they did

[–][deleted] 6 insightful - 2 fun6 insightful - 1 fun7 insightful - 2 fun -  (53 children)

And the Kushners, Miller, and other Israel lobbyists. There were problems with Israel under previous presidents, but this got noticeably worse in the past 4 years, in terms of Israel's expansion, land grabs, attacks on other countries, media manipulaiton &c.

[–][deleted] 3 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 2 fun -  (51 children)

obama slightly angered israel by somewhat supporting Iran at times. And yet he is the one the antisemitic trump supporters hate the most.

[–]derraleek 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (7 children)

Out of thousands of countries, make sure to touch the wall and where a tiny cap. yhe dfuck....

[–][deleted] 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (6 children)

a sign of obedience

[–]ExecuteHomophobes 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (5 children)

Obedience to God.

[–][deleted] 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (4 children)

why does god give a shit about touching a wall and wearing a little hat

where's that mentioned in the bible

[–]ExecuteHomophobes 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

https://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/history-and-overivew-of-the-western-wall

[–][deleted] 2 insightful - 3 fun2 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 3 fun -  (2 children)

definitely not clickin that

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    [–][deleted] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (42 children)

    Yes.

    Because of the color of his skin, among other dumb reasons

    [–][deleted] 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (23 children)

    same with how the only politicians in DC to ever dare criticize Israel are brown, Omar and Tlaib.

    To be honest as a conspiracy theorist I think this is by design in order to get more white americans to support Israel, showing the only ones that don't are those evil women muslims.

    [–][deleted] 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (21 children)

    Interesting theory. The Israel lobby seems to have control of so much, but because so many people are involved, in different capacities, it's difficult to see how the network operates in a collective manner.

    [–]ExecuteHomophobes 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (20 children)

    The "Israel lobby" is a straw man invented by racist Muslim terrorist enablers.

    [–][deleted] 2 insightful - 3 fun2 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 3 fun -  (17 children)

    You must be fun at parties, ExecuteHomophobes

    [–][deleted]  (16 children)

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      [–][deleted] 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (15 children)

      That's it. Let the hate flow through you. Join the dark side, my friend.

      [–]Airbus320 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (1 child)

      Cry more, everyone hates Brooklyn

      [–]ExecuteHomophobes 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

      Lie more, everyone hates gentiles.

      [–]ExecuteHomophobes 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

      Their hatred of Israel is performative whiteness. Jews are people of color. Rejection of Judaism itself is also a form of performative whiteness: pandering to white hetero-gentile racism by hating the same people they hate.

      [–]Chipit 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (17 children)

      Because he's an America-hating asshole. But leftists never get tired of punching down and abusing the lower classes, and the "racist" insult always works.

      He belonged to a hate church for decades. Married his wife there. Paid off the pastor to shut up so he could be elected without us knowing just how repugnant he really was.

      Hey, remember when Obama bombed a bombed a Doctors Without Borders hospital and sent gunners in to kill the fleeing nurses and patients? Boy, that went down the memory hole, didn't it?

      https://www.msf.org/kunduz-hospital-attack

      The attacks took place despite the fact that MSF had provided the GPS coordinates of the trauma hospital to the US Department of Defense, Afghan Ministry of Interior and Defense and US Army in Kabul as recently as Tuesday, 29 September. The attack continued for more than 30 minutes after we first informed Resolute Support and US military officials in Kabul and Washington that it was a hospital being hit.

      [–][deleted] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (16 children)

      So much bizarre nonsense to unpack here. It's unfortunate that Fox and Sinclaire can hammer away with this kind of false idiocy for decades without being challenged. There are now several generations of people who believe this stufff, wiithout once questioning the validity of any of it. Fuck.

      [–]Chipit 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (14 children)

      Why's it bizarre nonsense?

      Bush started war after war, based on lies. Yet the media holds him up as a hero. Obama got the Nobel Peace Prize for doing absolutely nothing, and then continued the wars. He killed more children than all other Nobel Peace Prize winners put together. Trump tried to end war after war, and he's heralded as a villain. He's up for three Nobel Peace Prizes based on his work in the Middle East. Who even knows what he did to get nominated? That's what you get with a media who doesn't question the validity of what they're presented with.

      Did you read the link? Here it is again. https://www.msf.org/kunduz-hospital-attack

      Obama knew right where the MSF hospital was, and authorized an attack on it anyway. He belongs in The Hague, on trial for crimes against humanity. Isn't this why Halder and Keitel were hanged? And Yamashita?

      [–]ExecuteHomophobes 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (3 children)

      Every country Trump's two predecessors declared war against is a human rights violator.

      [–]Chipit 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

      Wow, it's a neocon!

      Hey, can you show us those declarations of war?

      How about the human rights violated in pursuit of these illegal wars of aggression? Black sites, rendition, torture, Abu Ghraib, nonexistent WMD in Iraq, but we all know these already.

      [–]ExecuteHomophobes 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

      The American people want war if they would rather have a racist pedo warmonger than Trump.

      [–][deleted] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (9 children)

      There is so much nonsense here I don't know where to begin. Perhaps let's start with the three Nobel Peace Prizes. The Middle East, neighbors & associates are in so much more of a mess now than they were 4 years ago, thanks to the US, Israel, Saudi, Russia, Syria, Afghanistan, Turkey, Azerbaijan, Armenia, Yemen, East Africa, Nigeria, West China, Pakistan, Libya - or let's say - numerous countries, because of the horrendous conflicts in those countries that are now common that one hardley notices them in the US, and especially when getting news from Fox, Sinclaire, Murdoch and other entertainment propaganda. You can't cherry-pick an example or two and then claim that one or two examples are sufficent for judging a massive government with a military budget that's larger than the GDP of several countries, combined. Look around.

      [–]Chipit 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (8 children)

      The Middle East, neighbors & associates are in so much more of a mess now than they were 4 years ago

      This is simply false. Trump negotiated directly with the Arab states concerned and Israel and brought them together. You don't know this, do you? The story was buried, wasn't it? That's the peril of consuming censored media like you do. You don't get the whole story, but you think you do.

      How about that war crime Obama committed? Do you think he should be hanged like Halder and Keitel, or merely receive a life sentence? Or should he be allowed to get away with it, like von Braun?

      [–][deleted] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (7 children)

      You are not corroborating your information with accurate sources. The 'Arab states' you mention only comprise a small group who already agree with Israel. You're following the Fox propaganda and the usual whataboutism approaches of the extremists. Check your sources, particularly with regard to the facts from reliable sources. Fox is registered as entertainment, not as news.

      [–]ExecuteHomophobes 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

      That's because it's true.

      [–]ExecuteHomophobes 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

      All of those things are justified because that land belongs to Israel, those other countries are human rights violators, and the media is complicit in fomenting hatred against Jews.

      [–]ExecuteHomophobes 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

      Good. Israel has more right to exist than the US at this point.

      [–]cure_osa_disorder 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

      STFU papist racist

      [–]whistlepig 6 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 0 fun7 insightful - 1 fun -  (5 children)

      I had my doubts about the guy at first, but clearly he is consistently legit. I hope he stays safe. Brazil can be dangerous.

      [–][deleted] 4 insightful - 2 fun4 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 2 fun -  (4 children)

      He should be in a jail in Brazil.

      [–][deleted] 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

      on what charges

      [–][deleted] 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

      Corruption

      [–]whistlepig 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

      A corrupt journalist? Are you even talking about the same person I am?

      [–][deleted] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

      I refer to Trump

      Bolsonaro certainly wants Greenwald behind bars

      [–][deleted] 6 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 0 fun7 insightful - 1 fun -  (5 children)

      As if morality was even a thought, let alone an issue, for most materialistic, vain, narcissistic Americans.

      I feel any drop we had left of, or care for morality was gone when DesmondIsAmazing went mainstream and got famous for being a little boy that strips at gay bars at 3 am cross dressing as Gwen Stefani and hanging out with the “NYC Club Kidz” of the 90’s and making YouTube videos with them (one of which went to prison for murder) where he admits to knowing about both ketamine and barbiturates and how you take them too.

      Millions of people loved that shit. Those people are supposed to give a damn about morals? What about the people watching Netflix’s Cuties?

      [–]horatioherbert 3 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 2 fun -  (4 children)

      Morality is a swindle

      [–][deleted] 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

      I believe strong ethics and morals makes for a strong person. An unbreakable person. You can still possibly break them down and destroy them, spiritually, psychologically or even physically, but you will never rob them of their principles.

      And I believe that truly is winning, even if it costs your life. You were true to yourself, and as true as you could be to others as well, and that’s a more honest life than most are willing to live. Just because life is harsh, rigged and others don’t play by the rules, doesn’t mean you can’t follow the golden rule and live by its code for example, and be your own person, regardless of what others think. These types of people are the light in the darkness, imho.

      There are many things that are a swindle, but I do not believe morality is one. I think that’s a valuable characteristic.

      Edit: also, sorry if I misunderstood your comment, I admit I am coming from a subjective place.

      [–][deleted] 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

      Would you please clarify by expanding on what you mean please?

      [–]horatioherbert 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

      The phrase is from Samuel Butler and he questions morality by asking what does it get you? A good night's sleep? The ability at old age to look back and say you were a 'good person'? I believe there is more to it, since a society without an agreed set of morals will tear itself apart eventually. How long can society function if everything and everyone is a lie? see Soviet Union

      [–][deleted] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

      Morality is only a swindle in the absence of identity. A being with identity has cohesion to it, and as such is incapable of contradicting themselves, which makes them not necessarily "moral" in the traditional, artificial sense. However, this inner cohesion gives such a being uncanny strength, and also set parameters for their behavior. Said parameters are surprisingly close to, not the practice of Christianity at all, but the advice from Christ himself.

      [–]president_camacho 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (8 children)

      Bush was far worse than Obama, and the fact he and the neocons were never held accountable for their war set a dangerous precedent. The neocons never truly went away either. Most just rebranded themselves as neoliberals and never Trumpers and took plum media positions in rags like the NYT and Wapost and set up new think tanks and organizations to spread their poisonous ideology.

      Greenwald is one of the few true journalists left.

      [–][deleted] 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

      before that was whatever went on with iran contra, and before that with watergate, maybe not called neocons yet back then but it was all the same people. Kissinger at the head for this whole time.

      [–]ExecuteHomophobes 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (6 children)

      "Neocon" is an antisemitic neoliberal dog whistle. Just say Jew since that's what you fucking mean.

      [–]president_camacho 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (5 children)

      Not all Jews are neocons. Greenwald for instance isnt. I’m certainly not above criticizing Jews in general, but in this case its not fair to smear them all as neocons.

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        [–]president_camacho 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (3 children)

        You’re one of these paranoid basket case zionists who hate all non jews, and refer to any jew capable of even the mildest self criticism as self hating.

        People like you would be irrelevant if you stayed in the ethnostate we gifted you and minded your own business, but you never do. You try to manipulate and control other people even more than you did before you had your little ziotopia.

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          [–]president_camacho 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (1 child)

          If you say so snowflake. The rest of the world doesnt see it that way, but I guess in your zionist bubble that's how the world works. You guys have been throwing the worlds bloodiest and most expensive temper tantrum for over half a century, pissing off everybody on the planet. Good luck buying off and blackmailing the worlds elite forever. You've just about sucked the American people dry, and when America falls there goes your last "friend".

          [–]ExecuteHomophobes 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

          Flagged for hate speech. Your threats will only further justify even more retaliatory force by the heroic IDF soldiers. The -m-r-c-n "people" are the biggest parasites on Earth, and their country was built by slaves on stolen land. Israel literally has more of a right to its existence. We will conquer, colonize, and civilize all gentile shitholes whether you like it or not.

          [–]sanitarium 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

          He's gone in Jan. Orange root suckers.

          [–]ExecuteHomophobes 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

          Right. January 2025.