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[–]HibikiBlack 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (4 children)

Not really. I myself would love it if we could get rid of Maduro by ourselves, but if the US gives us a hand then there is no reason to be prideful about it because after all, innocent lives are being lost daily.

[–]Tom_Bombadil 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

but if the US gives us a hand then there is no reason to be prideful about it because after all, innocent lives are being lost daily.

You are leaving it a crucial detail. Innocent lives are lost daily as a result of the US embargo. The US started this entire crisis, cause:.

  • Independent nationalism can not be tolerated by the local superpower, as it provides a good example to it's neighbors.
  • They're coming for your oil.
  • The US has a war economy, which could use a shot in the arm, by bombing your home.

You're literally looking forward to the US saving you, from what it's done to you and your country, by bombing and invading your country.

Surely, you recognize the logical contradiction.

[–]HibikiBlack 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

No, there is no contradiction. The economic sanctions of the US have been minimal and have mostly focused on freezing the goods the socialists have at the big bad empire. Even right now with the Guaidó thing, the US is only pushing for more sanctions against the communist bank accounts and properties over there. The crisis of the country was caused by the bapthist godfather of Chavez, Caldera causing a banking crisis, Chavez himself wasting the oil boom and his spiritual son Maduro. The country was quickly recovering before all of this with Carlos Andres until Chavez tried his coup attemps in 1992 in which a lot of civilians lost their lives.

That's it, you are either incredibly ignorant of Venezuelan history in general, are a socialist yourself or are a shill of sorts.

[–]Tom_Bombadil 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Sure. Internal politics are trivial.

Here's some real history.

Here's the future for Venezuela.
*Iraq.
* Lybia.
* Vietnam.
*Syria (mostly).
* Nicaragua.
* Honduras.
* El Salvador.
* Chile.
* I haven't ran out of ruined nations. I could go on.

The guy who advocates for the invasion of his county and embraces a foreign coup; is making arguments about ignorance. Sure.

Also, you didn't answer my question earlier. It seems to me that you are advocating for treason. I could be mistaken. If I am mistaken, then please remind me how advocating for the invasion of Venezuela by a forign power and a coup; is not considered advocating for treason..

[–]fred_red_beans[S] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

No, there is no contradiction. The economic sanctions of the US have been minimal and have mostly focused on freezing the goods the socialists have at the big bad empire. Even right now with the Guaidó thing, the US is only pushing for more sanctions against the communist bank accounts and properties over there. The crisis of the country was caused by the bapthist godfather of Chavez, Caldera causing a banking crisis, Chavez himself wasting the oil boom and his spiritual son Maduro. The country was quickly recovering before all of this with Carlos Andres until Chavez tried his coup attemps in 1992 in which a lot of civilians lost their lives.

OK, that's your perspective on things.

That's it, you are either incredibly ignorant of Venezuelan history in general, are a socialist yourself or are a shill of sorts.

This is an attack the poster rather than refuting the information and is low on the debate pyramid.

I've seen some great posts from you on saidit. I think everyone has different perspectives and it's to all of our advantage if we can agree to disagree on the things we disagree on and just post supporting information.

I think for Tom and myself, we see the situation in Venezuela differently than you do. I think we'd be best off if we can accept that and just post information so that we can learn more about each others perspective rather than bringing the discussion down.