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[–]ActuallyNot 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (4 children)

But not for not taking food to them?

A clump of cells will die if you don't pass nutrients and oxygen to it from your body, unless its about halfway through the pregnancy, and even then it's touch and go with the best tech available.

[–]Zapped 3 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 2 fun -  (3 children)

But not for not taking food to them?

A clump of cells will die if you don't pass nutrients and oxygen to it from your body, unless its about halfway through the pregnancy, and even then it's touch and go with the best tech available.

Which side are you arguing?

[–]ActuallyNot 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

That a person isn't obligated to feed even a person that they have nothing to do with.

It's certainly nice.

But when it's not a person, there's no obligation. When giving them food takes from your own health and mental well-being, the lack of obligation is a no brainer.

But if you do want to argue that someone is obligated to keep a fetus alive despite their own health, and give birth to it in pain, surely it follows that we as people with some excess resources are obligated to stop real actual living people from starvation.

I mean they're actual people, and you're arguing that we have an obligation to suffer to support the lives of not-yet-people that we have no interest in.

[–]Zapped 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (1 child)

When you create another life, or an embryo, in my opinion you certainly are obligated, unlike a person you had no part in creating. Again, you're arguing from a perspective that an embryo is not a human life. Without an agreement on that aspect, all of this other talk is moot.

[–]ActuallyNot 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

When you create another life, or an embryo, in my opinion you certainly are obligated, unlike a person you had no part in creating.

Does it matter if you were raped?

Again, you're arguing from a perspective that an embryo is not a human life. Without an agreement on that aspect, all of this other talk is moot.

Okay, we can investigate that if you want.

The reason that a human life is more important than a bacterial life, is because of what a human feels. A bacteria has no concept of its life, no fear, no hopes, no dreams, no desires as such, and as such we don't care if it dies.