Michigan: Muslim cleric calls US a “police state,” says Khomeini shows how to “liberate the globe”

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[–][deleted] 3 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 2 fun -  (21 children)

the influx of military aged male 'refugees' it still an invasion and thus jihad (in the negative sense) and their refusal to assimilate into western culture amounts to the same.

LMAO, I'm just going to stop responding and let you do your own research on this one. I've given you enough context to do some deeper research. It might help to ask why are there so many refugees to begin with before using them as a scapegoat for any problems, real or imagined. Why are the people of Iraq, Syria and Palestine refugees to begin with? Every genuine Syrian refugee I've met would prefer to be home regardless of how it is, no one wants to leave their home. Of course, those people had no choice, they don't immigrate out of choice but necessity and they do have a lot of resentment and desire to go back. People like me who immigrate out of choice typically love the countries they go to and are productive members of the countries they go to or at the very least, they don't hate the country otherwise they wouldn't go. Man, you have to look at people as humans. Here, if a child gets bullied, we're concerned about "mental health issues" yet you don't think that refugees suffer from "mental health issues"? Of course they do, the issue is more complex than "Islam makes people evil" but ya'll will still go into these countries and destroy them, effectively destroying any chance of intellectual, economic or social progress and turn around and blame Islam for causing the problems because it keeps the system going!

[–]useless_aether[S] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (20 children)

you failed to address my concerns, which is typical in my experience. instead you went defensive and abusive, which is a perpetual leitmotif in your posts. if they are nut cases, they belong behind closed doors, not in a western society.

[–][deleted] 3 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 2 fun -  (19 children)

instead you went defensive and abusive, which is a perpetual leitmotif in your posts.

You serious? If anything, YOU didn't address any of my refutation of your central claim behind the post. The insinuation about religion here is pretty serious and I do feel the need to be a bit defensive because no one else will come to the defense of my point. Also, most other Muslims would have considered your line of questioning abusive but I'm not one of them. I legit tried to understand your points every step of the way. I also try my best to be reasonable and engage in a discussion but I do get annoyed and that is always clear in my tone. Regardless, I always provide substance. You on the other hand just keep handing out claims which sound appealing but which fail to gain any insight outside of talking points you've been fed from elsewhere.

You want to talk about Muslims ramming cars into civilians? I was perfectly willing to talk about it and I gave you my counter argument the best I could. At the end of the day, I think you were way less persuasive than me but neither of us thought we could change each other's mind anyway. I hope you at least get some insight into a narrative which fundamentally disagrees with your own. Let me also remind you that the mainstream media isn't talking about Muslims ramming cars into civilians in America right now, they are talking about "right wing extremists" ramming cars into civilians. I'm sure that will hit home for you a bit more and illustrate my point when I say that the same tactics used to smear and silence Muslims on an international level are going to be used against you and you are going to be too blinded by the Muslim and black boogeymen to even adequately identify the problems in your society.

[–]useless_aether[S] 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (18 children)

but seriously, what are you doing in the west (not personally you)? you blame the west for your troubles. you shouldn't be here at all then. you should be in a rich muslim country of which there are many. it's too blatant.

[–][deleted] 3 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 2 fun -  (6 children)

you should be in a rich muslim country of which there are many

LMAO the West doesn't want "rich Muslim countries" which will exercise a democratic right against Western interests. Iran was rich before Britain and the CIA showed up. A country like Iran actually wants to address problems in Syria and keep refugees in the region but you'll sanction and attack them. What is it that you want exactly? I think you just want any excuse to justify a million dead people in Iraq so you need to believe Islam is evil

[–][deleted] 3 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 2 fun -  (1 child)

you blame the west for your troubles.

I blame the West when it deserves blame. If Americans were just exporting cool tech and "freedom", no one would hate them. Don't be so dense and learn to deal with complexity.

but seriously, what are you doing in the west (not personally you)?

You actually so naive that you need to ask? At the very least for economic opportunity, security and stability which are all things the American government deliberately deprives many "Muslim countries" of due to their undue and unjust involvement

[–]Jesus 3 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

Azaad, lets be honest, you're only here for two reasons. To run over westerners and blow yourself up. /s

Fox and Friends told me, it must be true! Likewise, they told me that muslims did 9/11 when they most certainly didn't ; using the event they orchestrated to spread "democracy" in neology only. Here's some demoracy, bombs away. Here's some democracy, bombs away, oh those dead women and children, oh, they're just collateral, and on it goes.

It would be far more sane, that if "muslims" attacked us on 9/11 in the "Twinboms" the US would go after these "muslims" greatest weapons importer, Saudi Arabia, but we know the hijackers were patsies with simulated, pre-written narratives, making it all the more psychopathic that the same people who did 9/11 would then blame an innocent people and attack their country for something they didn't do.

In fact, the FBI knew who did 9/11. It was Israeli Likudniks, Mossad and the 5th column neoconservatives in the executive, DoD and upper echelon of the CIA.

The FBI was onto something but investogators were thwarted from investgating further. They then went unto cover up the event, but why?

Easy. All the agencies could get something out of the 9/11 sanctioned government conspiracy theory.

[–]Jesus 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

They want:

a.) Easy LNG pipeline excess

b.) Secure Israel

c.) Balkanize for easy exploitation

d.) More bases for geopolitical agendas

e.) War profit and rebuilding profits through loans

[–]useless_aether[S] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

you conveniently ignored the part of my question about the reason the muslims target the west as the place to migrate, while hypocritically blaming the same west for their ruin. that's disingenuous.

[–][deleted] 4 insightful - 2 fun4 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 2 fun -  (1 child)

muslims target the west as the place to migrate

and I told you why. Economic opportunity at the very least. Most Muslims do love America and Canada in some capacity along with their cultures but yes, most Muslims including myself, have very reasonable objections to the foreign policy and warmongering. I think you're just going to keep presuming otherwise regardless of what I say and it actually is getting abusive now so I'm going to have to stop engaging.

while hypocritically blaming the same west for their ruin

You hypocritically ignore how the West does destroy Muslim countries. Muslims aren't allowed to have objections to what happened in Iraq and what continues to happen Palestine? If you truly think those objections are unreasonable, that just shows how narrow your understanding of international issues and human nature is. Either way, if you want me to move, outlaw freedom. Ban free speech and stop me from saying what I want and I'll go somewhere I can. Considering how sensitive America is to criticism of their Zionist masters, I would never visit unless I was getting paid to and even then I'd think twice. I haven't gone there once in over a decade of being Canadian.

[–]useless_aether[S] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

i blame the trudeaus and (others) for ruining canada, you can count on it getting worse there too.

[–][deleted] 3 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 2 fun -  (9 children)

you should be in a rich muslim country of which there are many. it's too blatant.

Also, just a minute ago you were tossing out accusations of defensiveness and abuse. Its clear who actually has an abusive intent here. Either way, I am only in Canada because someone needs to pick up the tax bill for all that "free health care" here. My family is probably more financially stable than most white Canadians here for a reason, my dad is out saving people's lives and there's a demand for that in this country. Maybe if everyone in the West did their your own damn work and paid for their own handouts, I wouldn't be here

[–][deleted] 4 insightful - 2 fun4 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 2 fun -  (3 children)

If you sincerely want to know why I like this country, its not because of the government or foreign policy, those are the things I absolutely despise but I love the people and the culture, at least in Canada, precisely because there isn't systemic discrimination based on religion or race, its a meritocracy. You are judged by the merits of your character. Unfortunately, if people had an attitude like yours where me being a brown Muslim would inherently disqualify me from participating, I would move out in a second because we would cease to be a meritocracy. I am just presuming you consume a lot of Zionist propaganda so you just assume having an ethnostate can be the greatest thing ever but I'm not sold on the idea at all, I like my freedom and that isn't in conflict with my Muslim identity at all

[–]useless_aether[S] 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (2 children)

you tried to convince me about the harmlessness of muslim presence in the west and you failed. that's all you did. deal with it, little rich kid.

[–]Jesus 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

Ad hominems.

[–][deleted] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

you tried to convince me about the harmlessness of muslim presence in the west and you failed.

No, I tried to come to the defense of Iran and tried to give some context to this quote by the cleric. You tried to argue that Muslim presence in the West is harmful and you got your ass handed to you at the first sight of someone who knew what they were talking about. Go back to your circle jerk if you want to keep your ego protected because you certainly won't get an ego boost if you rely on your arguing skills and intellect.

You keep putting words in my mouth to make yourself feel better because you can't reasonably refute what I'm saying without changing your attitude and outlook. If you want to keep simmering in your toxic stupidity, you can go right ahead

[–]useless_aether[S] 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (4 children)

i wrote 'not you personally'. who is dense now smartass? :-))

[–][deleted] 3 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 2 fun -  (2 children)

i wrote 'not you personally'. who is dense now smartass? :-))

I was questioning your shitty intentions and attitude smartass

[–]useless_aether[S] 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (1 child)

you are just dense

[–][deleted] 3 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

you are just dense

You are incapable of understanding anything that doesn't fit into your talking points and that is way more pathetic. I might as well have had this conversation with a bot, you might actually even be one considering how you don't respond to anything I say, shift the goalpost and keep repeating talking points. I could literally program a bot to have a more productive conversation than this so in retrospect, might have been more productive to talk to a bot instead

[–]Jesus 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Bringing down the pyramid of debate. Ad hominems galore.

[–]Jesus 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

If he was born here. He can stay here. Do you seriously think that prople have a choice on where they are born?

He is not blaming the west for his troubles he is explaining what he believes the west is doing in other sovereign countries.

The west is full to the brim with criminals exporting democracy in neology only.