Imane Khelif is a biological woman. It's funny you believe Algeria of all countries would send a trans person to represent it.

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Just a month ago I made a post about how nitpicking people's physical appearances for a "gotcha" about them being trans would just bite us/you in the ass, and it didn't take long to prove it https://saidit.net/s/TumblrInAction/comments/dh9o/nitpicking_for_lack_of_a_better_word/

Yes, Imane looks and sounds like a man, but have you seriously NEVER ONCE in your life met a bulky woman with a low/masculine voice? She has DSD (disorders or differences in sex development), specifically hyperandrogenism which causes an excess of testosterone in women. Should that disqualify her from competing? That's not for us to decide, but the point is that she's still a woman and NOT a trans-identified male. Her own muslim father showed her birth certificate to prove it.

She ranked 17th and 33rd in the 2018 and 2019 Women's World Boxing Championships. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Imane_Khelif#Career Wouldn't it have been easy for her to destroy everyone if she were a man?

Besides, her italian opponent pulled off the victim card once before during the 2022 olympics by miserably twisting/pretending to twist her own ankle https://youtu.be/A7SOm31Fcd0?si=61L2zGRRaPewBpdd&t=250

Please, instead of buying into the very same mindless ragebait that you shit on liberals for doing, you could at the very least do more than just read headlines and feed into the outrage. What's the difference between you and them if you cant be bothered to do 5 seconds of googling and just accept whatever lines up with your worldview? Hypocrisy at its finest.

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[–]xoenix 17 insightful - 3 fun17 insightful - 2 fun18 insightful - 3 fun -  (9 children)

XY chromosomes. Just because Algeria is too primitive to detect the sex of a person at birth, and because their stereotypes about males are so rigid that a man with deformed/internal sex organs isn't considered a "real man" doesn't change reality. Women have no obligation to accommodate his feelings.

https://x.com/Slatzism/status/1819427537740558848

https://x.com/Slatzism/status/1819471464590201313

[–]Jiminy 8 insightful - 1 fun8 insightful - 0 fun9 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

They simply lied about his birth, he has a dick and balls.

[–]Q-Continuum-kin 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (4 children)

Just because Algeria is too primitive to detect the sex of a person at birth

I don't think many places actually do a DNA test when a baby is born. They just pull out the baby then "if penis then M". The only thing that might change that is if the infant truly had ambiguous genitalia. This is where the whole "assigned male/female at birth" phraseology came from. Actual intersex babies and doctors who thought they had to do something right away.

We still don't know for sure this person is even intersex. She was banned from the other tournament under suspicious pretexts and the Olympics have weird regulations where they let the individual sports determine who qualifies.

[–]Akatonbo 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

Sure, they may not have detected Khelif's disorder at the baby stage. However, even in developing countries the general population is aware that a girl's menstrual cycle must start at puberty. Every single disorder where an individual has XY chromosomes - and Khelif's chromosomes were confirmed by 2 separate labs in 2 different countries - means that the individual fails to develop ovaries (let's not delve into XX/XY mosaicism here). No ovaries means primary amenorrhea. In what world are there girls who are blissfully unaware of not becoming women? And even if they are unaware, in what world are their parents similarly unaware? After all, the girl's fertility is at stake, no menses, no future kids. There is no way Khelif could think of himself as a girl and not wonder what's wrong with him after his cycle did not start after he reached 15-16 years of age. And if he knew something wasn't right, why didn't he see a doctor? Algeria may not have state of the art healthcare, but surely their obgyns and endocrinologists can identify causes of primary amenorrhea and break it to Khelif? Unless of course he knew there was no need to visit a doctor because he was perfectly healthy and his amenorrhea meant nothing as he was male.

[–]Q-Continuum-kin 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

Khelif's chromosomes were confirmed by 2 separate labs in 2 different countries

Where are you finding that? All I've seen is speculation based on the fact she was disqualified but the reason for the disqualification was never revealed.

[–]Akatonbo 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

31 Jul 2024: the IBA makes a statement condemning the IOC for allowing Khelif and Lin to compete after being DQ'd as a result of not passing 2 separate sex tests in Turkey (2022) and India (2023) and not appealing the results. The IBA stated they weren't testosterone tests but refused to elaborate citing privacy concerns.

02 Aug 2024: Canadian (?) radfems report that István Kovács, the European Vice President of the World Boxing Organization and former Secretary General of the IBA, told the Hungarian Magyar Nemzet, a moderately right newspaper, that it was clear since 2022 that Khelif in particular was biologically male, and this discovery was not made based on his testosterone levels. Kovács also stated that he personally notified the International Olymic Committee about Khelif's abnormal results, and the IOC "did not react".

03 Aug 2024: an American journalist Alan Abrahamson, who seems to be somewhat known in the Olympic world for unwaveringly covering Olympic events for many years, claims in two consecutive articles that he has seen the IOC notification and attached test results of Khelif and Lin that "depict the XY chromosomes photographically".

05 Aug 2024: the IBA holds a press conference where their Greek doctor speaks openly around 34:48 about tests that revealed the "meil karyotip" in Khelif and Lin. The doc's spoken English is atrocious but not completely unintelligible, and he seems to be very much aware of doctors being bullied for knowing what "womans" are. The IBA then issues a second statement explicitly naming Turkish and Indian labs that did the tests and clarifying IBA's eligibility rules for the women's category as "woman = XX".

That's about as official as we can get it.

[–]Q-Continuum-kin 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

The last 2 sources are much better than what I had seen at the time and also since 4 days ago I have seen some newer sources. There's a couple things i find annoying about this situation. First of all, this whole changing of vocabulary around "intersex" to "difference in sexual development". It's obviously meant to be manipulative to describe it that way. This doesn't help intersex people, it just pushes into the whole TRA dogma that "she was born female and just developed differently". No, that's not what intersex people are. It makes intersex conditions more vague and also lassos in a bunch of other crap that isn't intersex and attempts to validate the whole trans umbrella by finding a reason to have intersex in this different category.

Next is how they keep sneering about "lol these idiots think she is transgender but she was """"born female and always identified""" as a woman." This is putting the framing of the issue of a birth certificate on another planet, exactly where they like it. They insist on this framing that people are "assigned" male or female "at birth" and so this person who is likely intersex got assigned female INCORRECTLY because the doctor probably just looked at the lack of penis and testes. Then because the person never "transitioned" these people keep saying "she is a cisgender woman" because on this other planet their minds live on, all that matters is the "self ID".

It's such a weird turn of events all at once. Intersex no longer exists. She just developed differently. Whoever marked the birth certificate etc didn't know or didn't realize that intersex was a thing. Because the doctor made a mistake on the paperwork, that means the person is now "cisgender female" because they never tried to transition (assuming the person even knew what transgender was before this).

[–]LyingSpirit472 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

The tournament where Khelif was DQ'ed for gender reasons was a tournament in Russia, where they were pissed off she beat a Russian woman to win. It's much more likely she's innocent.

[–]Akatonbo 3 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 2 fun -  (1 child)

Source? Oh, you don't have it, how convenient. Stop your lies. No one cares about Khelif's jendurr, the problem is his sex, and everyone knows that Khelif was tested twice, first in Turkey in 2022, then in India in 2023, and we know exactly which labs tested him. Both labs are nowhere near Russia, and Khelif was DQ'd only after the second test. His opponent in 2023 was Janjaem Suwannapheng from Thailand who initially lost to him in semifinals but was reinstated and allowed to progress and eventually got silver after losing to a Chinese lady. Before Suwannapheng, Khelif fought Navbakhor Khamidova from Uzbekistan who after his DQ got bronze. And before Khamidova, Khelif did indeed fight a Russian woman. Which is hardly relevant because said Russian woman had no chance to compete for medals even after Khelif's DQ.

Suppose your comically uninformed statement is true though, and Khelif was DQ'd because he fought a Russian woman. Okay. What was the second male, Lin, DQ'd for if he never fought a Russian?

[–]LyingSpirit472 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Considering it's become "any Olympian woman who doesn't look like a pornstar is a man" right now, I'll defer to the claim against it.

[–]cephyrious 13 insightful - 1 fun13 insightful - 0 fun14 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Imane Khelif has testicles (assumingly internal), not ovaries. What do we call people who would produce sperm rather than eggs? Biological men. It's not hard. I have no problem calling Khelif "she" or a woman though. She's lived her entire life as a girl/woman. But women's sport is a biological category, not an identity-based one.

[–]QueenBread 10 insightful - 1 fun10 insightful - 0 fun11 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

A man without a dick is still a man.

[–]Adventurous_Ad6212 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

No... It's an abomination

[–]jet199 9 insightful - 3 fun9 insightful - 2 fun10 insightful - 3 fun -  (0 children)

By your logic, if Khelif was a woman then Algeria would be sending a trans person because Khelif presents as a man most of the time. That would make her a transman. https://i.imgur.com/aa0qwB1.jpeg

Only if he's a man, and they all know full well he's a cheating man, would they not be sending a trans person.

So he must be a man.

[–]MyLongestJourney 8 insightful - 3 fun8 insightful - 2 fun9 insightful - 3 fun -  (0 children)

If the chromosome is Y you will always be a guy.

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    [–]jet199 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

    Poor victim.

    Can't cheat without being called out.

    Must be racism

    [–]Jiminy 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

    Yeah it's same with Serena Williams obviously being a man

    [–]Jiminy 3 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

    Use eye test. Man.

    [–]Nintendogirl2 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

    At this point I've read so many contradicting stories from the news media and elsewhere, that I have no idea what Imane Khelif is: man, woman, intersex, or space alien.

    [–]cephyrious 5 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 0 fun6 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

    Most likely 46, XY DSD (a variant of intersex). Which means a biological male born with (potentially) feminine external genitalia, but internal gonads. No ovaries. It's a tricky one for sure.

    [–]SerpensInferna 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

    So XY chromosomes mean woman now?