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[–]Alienhunter糞大名 5 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 0 fun6 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

There's some teachers to me who seem to have lived their whole lives entirely in a "academic bubble" and seem totally unaware of the world outside of that.

[–]ClassroomPast6178 5 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 0 fun6 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

No, I think they’ve been indoctrinated and are entirely possessed by ideology.

I saw a clip of US elementary school children going into school through a sea of pride flags and their teachers dancing to disco music in costumes festooned with rainbows.

That’s straight up religious indoctrination right there.

I cannot imagine, as a primary/elementary school teacher, taking part in such a thing (I actually cannot see being asked to either). It has zero educational value, does nothing to promote tolerance and children that age are not gay or straight because they don’t think about that stuff - adults who claim to have done are just liars or are misremembering what childhood is like and reading backwards from how they feel presently.

[–]Alienhunter糞大名 5 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 0 fun6 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Well I would agree with the religious indoctrination similarity. Though I think the "bubble of experience" plays into that as well. You'll see it in the extremely christian circles where everyone in the social bubble is very much a part of the religion and they have an extremely hard time relating to anyone outside that bubble. Makes for hilarious missionaries who legit think that people who don't go to church do so because they've never even heard about Jesus before, or in the case of Mormons scratching their heads at the lack of success in missionary work in countries where drinking tea when you've got a guest is considered good manners.

There's no educational value to the pride stuff, but that's true of a lot of these activities in school. I've worked with teachers before who considered pride to be an integral part of American culture which just tells me they are laughably naive about the diversity of opinion in their own country, but even more than that I feel like a lot of it comes from simply not having real world experiences outside an academic setting. Their whole lives have been in school, college, then back in school as a teacher, and they seem to lack a solid real world experiences about why most people aren't going to buy the ideological indoctrination, they've never been outside of it.

Putting the gay stuff aside, simply the fairly uncontroversial mantra we teach kids "you can be anything you want to be" isn't exactly right. We don't want to discourage kids by shitting all over their dreams, but it's more along the lines of "you can do anything you are capable of" since when you hit the real world your own capability is going to run in direct conflict with your idealized self.

All these pride flags and the like would be fairly harmless if it wasn't in line with a profit driven medical system that seems to care little for people's wellbeing over their bottom line. Though I do think there's going to be an inevitable backlash to it. When these kids raised on the pride flags and all this get old enough to realize the sexual implications and the like, and they enter their rebellious phase, what is that going to look like? Does a non-binary theybe with tolerant parents raised on a steady diet of black lives matter and all that grow into a teenager who rejects all that and becomes a hyper sexist white supremacist type? I think it's possible. Unbalanced people tend to raise unbalanced kids but the direction of balance seems to shift. I see all these kids raised by strict christian parents rebelling into what is essentially now the mainstream LGBTQ+ queer identities as a way to differentiate themselves from their parents. It wouldn't surprise me if in another 5 to 10 years we see a lot of kids rejecting the woke in favor of more hardline conservative positions, I reckon another religious revival of sorts, similar to the early pentacostalist movement is in the wings, whether that is a Christian, Muslim, or something else entirely remains to be seen.

We could argue that "woke" is a good candidate for the religious revival but I think the failing there is that without any sort of stable doctrine it's likely to simply fall apart due to infighting, so I suspect it's going to have to be a more modern spin on a very traditional belief system that has a more stable ideological set of beliefs.