SANITYAn interesting panel discussion on Preferred Pronouns featuring Helen Joyce, Maya Forstater, Malcolm Clark, Alastair Gunn and Stella O’Malley

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[–]LtGreenCo 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

IMO there's no debate. Third person pronouns aren't for you. If anything, they're for the people talking about you. And those people are allowed to decide if "he" or "she" is a more appropriate way to refer to you. You aren't involved in the process at all; it's not your concern.

[–]OuroborosTheory 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

and they hooped themselves when they said "you might set off someone's dysphoria!!!!111" and THEN said "it's cruel to demand people have dysphoria before you treat them as queer, they don't OWE you anything!!!1111"

so it's not even the usual motte-and-bailey argument, they just built a logic bomb into the heart of their movement because they've made everyone around them too afraid to even twitch a muscle in their face or the hivemind of college students will jump them

same with "we just wouldn't feel SAFE in a locker room/bathroom with someone with a penis!" or "anyone with a Y chromosome is a defective sex freak who can't even be trusted to diaper his own newborn daughter": by this point they've been talking to just themeslves so long even THEY aren't really listening to what they're saying