SANITYAn interesting panel discussion on Preferred Pronouns featuring Helen Joyce, Maya Forstater, Malcolm Clark, Alastair Gunn and Stella O’Malley

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[–]LtGreenCo 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (5 children)

IMO there's no debate. Third person pronouns aren't for you. If anything, they're for the people talking about you. And those people are allowed to decide if "he" or "she" is a more appropriate way to refer to you. You aren't involved in the process at all; it's not your concern.

[–]OuroborosTheory 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

and they hooped themselves when they said "you might set off someone's dysphoria!!!!111" and THEN said "it's cruel to demand people have dysphoria before you treat them as queer, they don't OWE you anything!!!1111"

so it's not even the usual motte-and-bailey argument, they just built a logic bomb into the heart of their movement because they've made everyone around them too afraid to even twitch a muscle in their face or the hivemind of college students will jump them

same with "we just wouldn't feel SAFE in a locker room/bathroom with someone with a penis!" or "anyone with a Y chromosome is a defective sex freak who can't even be trusted to diaper his own newborn daughter": by this point they've been talking to just themeslves so long even THEY aren't really listening to what they're saying

[–]ClassroomPast6178[S] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

The debate isn’t whether to use them or not. It’s about why they’re a thing and how to address it. All the panellists are gender critical.

Your point is absolutely true, but there are still interesting things to discuss with the pronouns nonsense.

[–]LtGreenCo 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Ah okay, well I'll give it a watch then thanks

[–]r2d2_21 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

interesting things to discuss with the pronouns nonsense

Such as? 🤨

[–]ClassroomPast6178[S] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Why they have appeared, what is happening in languages that aren’t English, including languages that don’t have gendered pronouns. Whether pronoun fixation is also a reaction to social media and seeing other write about you in a way that previous generations never have. Unless you were famous or notable, twenty years ago no one would ever write about you (except maybe your doctor or teacher), now with social media a lot of people are able to read what other have written about them and that could be disconcerting. Some of the behaviour around pronouns mimics the use of tu and vous in French, with singular pronouns being reserved for familiarity like tu is.

The linguistic stuff I found fascinating.