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[–]The_Best_Yak_Ever 6 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 0 fun7 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

I despise that it’s somehow okay for one person to run roughshod over everyone else. “I’m trans by the way,” should not be a magical incantation to ignore everyone else’s comfort. Why do they get to decide they are the main character who can ignore the comfort of everyone else? I’m sorry, but having male genitals in a women’s changing room with underage girls is grotesque and wildly inappropriate. Those girls were sexually harassed by being exposed to male genitals without their consent and on school fucking grounds no less. This is not popular with the vast majority of the fucking planet. And it isn’t going to become popular. Because frankly, the tiny tiny tiny minority of people with legitimate gender dysphoria DO NOT want to put themselves in that situation. They would be mortified to be exposed like that. So the only people who do this are the perverted depraved sickos who used to be arrested for indecent exposure. This is madness. It isn’t inclusionary. It’s letting slimy losers indulge their sexual fetishes at women’s expense. Shame on anyone who defends this behavior.

[–]LtGreenCo 6 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 0 fun7 insightful - 1 fun -  (6 children)

How the fuck could any responsible adult allow this adolescent boy (a demographic, mind you, notorious for their hormone-fueled sex obsession) anywhere near vulnerable girls? Or have the gall to act shocked when they heard he whipped out his cock and balls?

Fucking idiots

[–]ClassroomPast6178 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

Because they’re ideologically possessed, absolutely assured that they’re “on the right side of history” and, most importantly, know that this gives them power over others.

I think that the actual flavour of the nonsense is a secondary, albeit extremely important, consideration but they, a hundred and fifty years ago, would have been militant religious zealots trying to enforce their brand of faith on society and exerting control that way.

All the arguments in favour of this current flavour of nonsense are very similar to the arguments of the religious zealots and they fail in the same ways when met by the standard arguments of the enlightenment.

[–]Haylstorm 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

Honestly it's actually really worrying. What happens when they pull the "well you don't want to send her to jail do you? That'd be transphobic" after a girl gets raped? They've already let it escalate and continue in that other case so what if that's the norm?

[–]ClassroomPast6178 6 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 0 fun7 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

What happens is that they lie about it. The Louden County incident is pretty much exactly what you said and the school authorities lied repeatedly about it and the media and law enforcement backed them up. It was down to one brave set of parents, including a dad who got the shit kicked out of him by the police, to uncover the truth and force the right thing to be done. Unfortunately, until the media stops playing along with the pretence it’s going to keep happening.

Hopefully we will have more reactions like the Scottish Trans Rapist moment where the shameful behaviour of the authorities and the collusion of the media is writ large and forces change.

But yeah, if I were a parent I’d be extremely angry and afraid about it all.

I have to say that the way that US teachers have adopted this shit is alien to me a British teacher, and their zealous promotion of lgbT stuff wouldn’t be allowed in English state schools. It’s very worrying to look at from the outside.

[–]Haylstorm 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Yeah that's the one I was thinking of where they just shifted around someone to let someone else deal with it leading to more girls being harmed. It made me SO angry to hear about. Imagine you're going through a horrific event somewhere you're meant to be safe, full of people who're meant to protect you and they only have the response of protecting your rapist? Oh and not to tell your parents about that 'little incident' because it's no big deal really. Do they not see the harm they're doing?

[–]Haylstorm 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

They at least there weren't repeated sexual assaults/rapes with him being shuffled to another school this time...

[–]LyingSpirit472 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Honestly, given the facts, I think we're close to the endgame if that happens being "Well, you have to understand she was brainwashed into thinking you were attractive by the white cishetpatriarchy giving a standard of beauty and it caused her to snap and do this, so if you really think about it, when she forced sex on you, you actually raped her. We're calling the cops to arrest you for this."

[–]Q-Continuum-kin 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

The article seems to make a big fuss over the person being 18. I'm guessing because that can imply certain legal ramifications against this SPECIFIC person. I think that this is misplaced outrage. Yes be outraged over this incident but don't say it's because he is 18 that this is the problem because you can catch this one guy on a legal technicality. If the boy was 14 and the girls were 18 this is still a problem.

The problem is the locker room policy that the principal emailed to the parent. All boys can go into the girls showers if they declare "trans". That policy isn't requireing the boy to I'd as a girl he can claim "nonbinary" and walk in. That's just actually insane.

If they focus on the age it tries to pull off a quick win while leaving the bad policy in place. It also justifies the dumb statutory rape laws which high school students face for dating each other.

[–][deleted] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Very well said. Agree with you on both counts, that the statutory charges are a distraction from the real problem of men in the womens room, and also creates consent for criminalizing high schoolers having sex with arbitrary age distinctions. Appreciate you calling attention to this

[–]ClassroomPast6178 3 insightful - 3 fun3 insightful - 2 fun4 insightful - 3 fun -  (0 children)

I’m going to preface my comment with this: true bullying, that is the continual picking on someone for things that they have no control over, with or without violence is wrong and has no place in school or the workplace. Teasing and name calling are not usually considered bullying, although a protracted name calling campaign would be.

That being said, this is what happens when you upend social hierarchies in schools, in-still fragility and tell children that hurt feelings are akin to violence. This shit, a man showering naked with little girls, would never happen in a world where conformity was considered a sensible decision for social survival.

Essentially, they have told children that they can explore kink in school without considering the consent of others (that largely cannot consent anyway) and made sure that any one who does complain feels the full force of authority, and at the same time made it impossible for the social group to enforce any kind of group conformity and so now you have literal freaks running the school.

Fuck these demons.

It does demonstrate nicely that well-intentioned interventions, anti-bullying, can have far reaching and extreme unforeseen consequences and should teach us the lesson that we should not be rushing to alter our society of behaviour that has developed over time as it is not always immediately clear why the behaviour developed and what useful functions it might perform. It’s clear that social hierarchy in schools maintains some level of social conformity which is essential for any community of more than a few people.

[–]UncleWillard56 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Typical. More worried about one person's agenda because their trans than all the other people that have to share that space. If gender is a construct, what does it matter if he uses the boy's locker room?