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[–]Adventurous_Ad6212 5 insightful - 3 fun5 insightful - 2 fun6 insightful - 3 fun -  (4 children)

We need to put a stop to these dangerous degenerate hedonistic abnormal agitants. We need to let the troons know how it’s harmful for them to exist and how it’s not okay to be troons

[–]LordoftheFliesAmeri-kin 2.0. Pronouns: MegaWhite/SuperStraight/UltraPatriarchy 5 insightful - 4 fun5 insightful - 3 fun6 insightful - 4 fun -  (3 children)

Given up on securing that future, have you?

[–]ClassroomPast6178[S] 4 insightful - 5 fun4 insightful - 4 fun5 insightful - 5 fun -  (0 children)

Those poor, poor trans babies!

[–]Adventurous_Ad6212 4 insightful - 5 fun4 insightful - 4 fun5 insightful - 5 fun -  (1 child)

Well its like i always never say. if you cant beat em off join em.

[–]LordoftheFliesAmeri-kin 2.0. Pronouns: MegaWhite/SuperStraight/UltraPatriarchy 3 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

Words to live by, oh great sage.

[–]xoenix 3 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

When some troon argues that GC is "conversion therapy", remind them that transition is a synonym for conversion.

[–]AriShekelsteinDDS 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (5 children)

Good column and her closing line sums these people up perfectly: they make everything about themselves.

That being said, you can’t reason with people who claim you’re trying to genocide them because you disagree with the choices they make. Ironically, it’s that mindset that will push people into taking harsher stances against you.

[–]Alienhunter糞大名 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (4 children)

It's the same social mechanism as religion. Go to a charismatic service and you'll see all sorts of shit, people babbling in made up languages claiming it's god speaking through them, can't reason with them obviously because there's no reasoning to be had. It's pure emotion. Feelings.

Humans have an innate need to do this sort of thing from time to time. How we are wired. Channel it in constructive directions, sports, church, temple, music, art, whatever and it can be quite good. Channeling it through activism usually just leads to a bunch people with poor grasps on the more academic arguments screaming really short stupid slogans.

Slogans with less 5 words and usually with a "to be" verb statement in them somewhere tend to be the most effective.

Trans rights are humans rights.

Meat is murder

Silence is violence

Love is love

Etc.

Not much to be said with slogans. People that use them and repeat them verbatim are essentially devout followers in a belief system from which they'll inoculate themselves against wrong think and doubts that creep in. You can't argue with a TRA that assumes anyone that takes any disagreement with them is in favor of literal genocide. Despite the fact that most everyone will agree with the basic idea that "trans people" should have the same rights as everyone else. They don't understand that the recognition of the legal distinction of "trans people" is the issue at play not their actual existence.

Political issues though are themselves usually fully wrapped up in this kind of emotional quasi-religious beliefs about "the issues" and it can be very very hard to get people to break from that and engage with the actual issues themselves and not the feel good slogans and hardline positions. Abortion is a great one for that. Try having a discussion on it with anyone and it will invariably devolve into philosophical disagreements of the nature of the soul which are of course impossible to reconcile. But in the public discourse you'll get the hardline anti-abortion people stick their head in the sand and pretend that medical complications don't happen and won't even discuss the possibility. Or go on the other side and hardline pro-choice people will refuse to awknoledge the potential of socially disruptive issues like, sex selective abortions, the ethics of choosing to abort children with deformaties or other abnormalities and the message that sends on their value to society. Etc. These aren't easy topics to breach. Most people are too intellectually lazy to think about them and just end up settling into a one size fits all approach towards them to save themselves the psychological trauma of actually having to think through coherent arguments towards positions like, why is it not ok to euthanize children with disabilities, but aborting undesirables should be allowed with no restrictions.

Or the uncomfortable reality of racial statistics when it comes to abortions.

[–]LyingSpirit472 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

You can't argue with a TRA that assumes anyone that takes any disagreement with them is in favor of literal genocide. Despite the fact that most everyone will agree with the basic idea that "trans people" should have the same rights as everyone else.

But this also ties into the "they make everything about themselves"- when you have people fighting for their group's equality who make everything about themselves, inevitably those people will soon make it clear they're fighting not for equality or even supremacy, but for personal glory. They cannot be reasoned with not because they take any disagreement as genocide, but because to them, nothing short of them, personally, being raised on a pedestal and given everything they want, the second they want it, will be good enough for them. Rather than activists fighting for equality, they're insane narcissists who are cloaking themselves in equality to get their way, and in many groups they gloat about how they can flat out say it and they'll still get their way.

[–]Wanderingthehalls 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

Trans rights are human rights, was part of what tipped me into transphobia. I remember around 2018, a lot of people I know suddenly started to post "transwomen are women" on their social media. I thought it was a bit odd but shrugged it off. Then "trans rights are human rights" started being posted everywhere and all I could think was, who the fuck said they aren't? It just felt like problems being concocted.

[–]jet199 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Interestingly the original phrase was "woman's rights are human rights" and they subverted it.

Much like identity politics was astroturfed and spammed after the Occupy movement to break it up so too the trans rights movement was purposely funded and pushed to destroy the MeToo movement.

Now a lot of people here don't have positive opinions about MeToo or feminism but the fact that so much has been done to crush it by the elite shows they must have been doing something right.

[–]M1GarandDad 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

who the fuck said they aren't?

People who pay attention to what "rights" are demanded, and who know the difference between positive and negative rights. But to be fair, I believe the slogan came before any real opposition.