Childfree taken to an extreme

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[–]Femaleisnthateful 9 insightful - 1 fun9 insightful - 0 fun10 insightful - 1 fun -  (12 children)

Classy. Part of the reason I dropped Reddit was that subreddits are just echochambers. People end up encouraging each other and escalating, and become parodies of themselves. Don't want kids? Cool. Not something to brag about, shouldn't be your entire identity. These people are in hugbubbles where they assume everyone else thinks like them, then they move out into the real world and feel persecuted because their personalities have become terrible and nobody likes them.

[–]LordoftheFliesAmeri-kin 2.0. Pronouns: MegaWhite/SuperStraight/UltraPatriarchy 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (10 children)

The CF sub is filled with some of the most horrifically toxic and outright hateful people I've seen on Reddit (admittedly, I don't frequent places like AHS or the troon subs where the membership is just raw sewage in a meat suit). It doesn't matter how tame a post there starts off, it almost always devolves into a circlejerk of hate. And they act all wounded and defensive when people point out their hateful shit, claiming that it's not all of them but those rage posts and comments are upvoting by themselves, right?

[–]Femaleisnthateful 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (8 children)

I gave up on the r/antimlm sub for the same reason. They were becoming the very thing they were claiming to oppose - rigid groupthinkers who viciously mocked the 'outgroup'. Oh, and the 'intersectionality'...

[–]ClassroomPast6178 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (6 children)

Without having to look, what’s r/antimlm?

[–]Femaleisnthateful 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (5 children)

It's a subreddit devoted to protecting the world from Multilevel Marketing schemes. Sound principle, but it just devolves into everything it claims to hate.

[–]ClassroomPast6178 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (4 children)

Ahh, I see.

[–]Alienhunter糞大名 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

Yeah it's a pretty big problem in the states. I'm sure it exists in the UK to but I have gotten a much more, shall we say, willingness to tell people to fuck off there, compared to the US where if you tell someone you think something is a scam they'll start insulting you for being stupid. Quite sad, very much the typical cult mentality.

It's mostly pyramid scheme type stuff. Some knife company tried to recruit me out of highschool but it was a typical MLM type deal. I buy the knives from a guy that buys his knives from a different guy and try to find other guys to sign up to be salesmen to buy the knives from me. Gotta get something like 100 subsidiaries to do well at it. Basically.

Level 1 one dude, rich.

Level 2 100 dudes, well off.

Level 3 10,000 dudes. Not so great.

Level 4 1,000,000 ooh boy

Level 5. 100,000,000, 1/3 people in the US are knife salesmen.

Level 6 10,000,000,000 ah shit gotta call some aliens and see if they wanna buy our knives.

Basically, they get people with emotional be your own boss get rich quick schemes, and it works because American math education is pretty shit. Plus it feeds well into the typical Americana self made man type deal.

It sucks if you've got friends or family in it, they'll constantly try to sell you shit. They buy all this crap they can't flip and get increasingly desperate.

Think essential oils are the big one in the states now? Kinda merges with the health nuts, actually lots of snake oil mlm come to think of it. The magical ancient elixir necessary for health is somehow only made by this one guy. Hmmm.

[–]handbananasrevenge 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

Years ago, a coworker tried to get me into what was essentially Amway. To humor him, I went to a few of their “meetings”, which were basically like struggle sessions.

One thing that struck me about most of the people there was they all seemed to think that working for a living was somehow beneath them, while at the same time being some of the most unimpressive people you’ll ever meet.

[–]Alienhunter糞大名 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

I've been to a few. They're usually enjoyable for me but I have a perverse joy in essentially being an asshole and roughing them up a bit intellectually. They're quite good at what they do though very difficult to engage in reasonable discussions.

One I went to I was curious so started asking a bunch of questions about how it worked then was taken aside and basically said it's rude for new people to ask questions. Yeah lol sure. If you can't answer the new people's questions doesn't that mean you've not prepared good answers for the basic shut people will ask?

Eh, there isn't much point in arguing with these people when they're convinced. It's hard too, some of the nicest people I know, just really pleasant and generous people really get sucked into them and it's almost painful going in and crushing their dreams by explaining basically, all that shit they said are stupid concerns that everyone who is in the know laughs at how silly they are, that's the special coat that only smart people can see mate, you're smart right?

[–]Femaleisnthateful 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

My ex-SIL got suckered into one of the makeup ones. She can't hold any real job but thought she was going to make money selling makeup online out of her filthy apartment.

Spent probably $1000 on a 'startup kit' and sold nothing.

There are a lot of similarities between MLMs and the gender deception for me. Naive people lovebombed and sold a fantasy for the benefit of other people who profit off of them.

[–]OuroborosTheory 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

or like how the 70s "countercult" movement quickly dissolved into kidnapping, unquestionable gurus with flying monkeys, and embezzlement

[–]OppossumScreech 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Their first solution to any relationship question is always "BREAK UP, RIGHT NOW!"

[–]Alienhunter糞大名 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Problem is too many people I think. Unless you've got a group that's very specifically dedicated to a singular hobby it tends to go south quick I think.

Anything that's like "negative" anti something, or even like some kind of victims group will invariably devolve into really mean infighting and purity spirals and just general assholery.

This is a good example. Don't want kids? Fine. Want to talk about your choice with other people? Fine. How much is there to talk about? I don't want kids? How do I not have kids? Hmm, don't have sex? Wow great idea I didn't think of that.

Like everyone is entitled to their own decision on the matter I think, but there's not really much to say about that right? Like join a travel subreddit or a gardening subreddit or any other hobby subreddit where you can use all that free time, but you want to chat about your lifestyle choosing not to do something, it's invariably going to decline into a circle jerk where the take turns masturbating each others egos over their superior lifestyle choices.

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    [–]Caessium 4 insightful - 3 fun4 insightful - 2 fun5 insightful - 3 fun -  (0 children)

    She's still angry at the thought of a hypothetical fetus sneaking into her womb.

    [–]brimshaeBased Woodchipper Merchant 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

    She's still everyone else's problem when she's around.

    [–]jet199 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

    Unfortunately women often end up in the position of being carers.

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      [–]jet199 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

      Read the above OP

      [–]lunarstrain 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

      The she didn't want to be a mother but [x circumstances] forced her to be and that's why she had to murder her toddler! is one of the most brain dead arguments out there. There's two separate and very legal ways to get rid of an infant that you don't want, no need to fucking smother or starve it.

      A. You can put your baby up for adoption, which I know can take a while but you can be a lot more involved with who your infant is adopted by if you choose to.

      OR

      B. You can just leave the baby at a goddamn hospital or some other Safe Haven location and they're legally required to sort out the rest without needing any of your involvement.

      [–]reverse-alchemy 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

      Choose your mate carefully.

      [–]hfxB0oyADon't piss on my head & tell me it's raining. 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

      She seems nice.

      [–]Diana 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

      Honestly? Some people shouldn't have children but it's rare they're actually aware, just glad this one is

      [–]handbananasrevenge 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

      Once in a while, a crazy person realizes they are crazy.