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[–]Alienhunter糞大名 5 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 0 fun6 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

So Vietnam is a very interesting situation to look at from a more neutral standpoint. There aren't really any good guys per say in that war. It was nasty as fuck. America was supporting some rich asshole dictator with a harem in the south who just assumed to get rich off of the war rather than actually winning and in the end he was assassinated for it and his country was overrun with the communists. On the other hand you've got foreign educated revolutionary Ho Chi Minh in the north who has ostensibly noble motives which engenders a very rabidly loyal fighting force but who is willing to perpetrate whatever atrocities are necessary to promote the formation of the people's republic as is customary with the communists, though admittedly he is far more palatable than the Mao's or Stalins of the world.

Vietnam I think was basically the first time that the Americans started to wake up to the facets of war spelled out in "The Principles of Oligarchic Collectivism" which we started to see as early as the Korean war but we still had some right assholes like McArthur in there ready to kick ass and take names.

Fonda's crime there isn't so much saying "hey guys maybe we should rethink this war", she basically went over and played propagandist for the northerners did the photo shoots and all that and bought their propoganda that the northerns were all just peaceful farmers while her countrymen were literally getting forced to go over there just to get carved up and spit out by any matter of Vietcong traps. I've been there. I've seen them. They're very resourceful in their killing of Americans. You must give them credit for improvising.

Now the Vietcong were certainly justified in protecting their homeland, but it's not Fonda's homeland, and she wasn't really justified in going over there during the war and basically playing Tokyo Jane for them.

[–]William_World 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

jane was right, doesn't matter who's homeland it was. We shouldn't support whatever our USA military does just cuz.

The rich didn't want communism to spread cuz they would get anastasia'd or guillotined.

[–]Alienhunter糞大名 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

Jane could have said her piece I'd have supported her. She went over and helped em with their propoganda piece and basically pissed off the lot of anyone who wasn't an incurable hippie.

The rich didn't want communism to spread cuz they would get anastasia'd or guillotined.

Jane Fonda, fucking movie star? She doesn't count as one of the rich? I have no proof to say her PR stunt wasn't planned to sink any sort of anti-nam war sentiment in the public eye. But that's what happened.

[–]William_World 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

she was on the right side of history although she didn't understand the hows or whys. Not many did, and still don't. Media won't say. The Fonda family was rich but not the ultra rich. Of course back then being against the vietnam war was similar to being communist in the 50s where the mcarthists would come for you but they went too far, the rich don't want true red blooded anti communist conservatives being in charge either, they might get guillotined by them too. They want both sides constantly fighting with a 50-50% split about of power and no one guillotining them. But the conservatives don't organize so won;t be the ones to win in the end.