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[–]alladd 7 insightful - 2 fun7 insightful - 1 fun8 insightful - 2 fun -  (21 children)

I like the comments where they use a couple of edge cases (iCe sKaTiNg!) to totally rule out the possibility that men could have a physical advantage over women.

I say let's take them at their word and get rid of women's leagues altogether. No more Title IX. Everyone gets to shine in the same league now, play together on the same teams, compete for the same world records. Watch out, men!

[–]Datachost 8 insightful - 1 fun8 insightful - 0 fun9 insightful - 1 fun -  (12 children)

The thing is, that's exactly what they're arguing for. Whether they admit it or not, they're arguing for no categories at all. No sex, weight classes, age, disability categories. Just one big open category. But that's not what they want, they want the women's category to remain upright so they can violate that boundary.

[–]alladd 5 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 0 fun6 insightful - 1 fun -  (11 children)

I say let them have it. Reap what you sow, can't make a horse drink, etc. If women aren't willing to stand up for themselves and fight for fair competition, then they can kiss it goodbye. Reducing themselves to a mere semantic to appease the perverts is...well, not exactly a winner's mindset.

Not that men are remotely threatened by FTMs in male sporting categories, but I'm pretty sure if they were, they wouldn't put up with it. I don't know why that is because men and women are exactly the same in every way, but it seems like maybe men have a social advantage of some kind.

Some day I hope to see all these organizations eating crow and backpedaling on all the medals they gave to lazy men who compete against women. The more medals they give, the funnier it'll be.

[–][deleted] 7 insightful - 2 fun7 insightful - 1 fun8 insightful - 2 fun -  (7 children)

Yep, and consider the fact that women overwhelmingly voted for the parties that are pushing this on them. They are strong and independent, so I'm sure they'll pry that 200 lb tranny off of them in the women's bathroom.

[–]BellaBlue 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (6 children)

And of course they'll blame the victim every single time: elderly woman, young child, disabled woman.

[–][deleted] 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (5 children)

Nah, assault is assault and rape is rape. My point is that women are neither strong nor independent: they need men of good character to protect them and their families. By waging war on men in the name of feminism and voting for a certain set of political ideas, they have gotten what they deserved. The only thing women need to do is demand a repeal certain divorce laws and bow the knee to men of good moral character. That's not gonna happen though. Red pilled alpha males if left to their own devices could end MtF's yesterday.

[–]Vulptexghost fox girl ^w^ 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (4 children)

You know this is how the elites want you to think. Do you really think they care whether men or women win? What they need is your vote to give them absolute power under the promise that they'll win your silly culture war for you. Whether patriarchy or matriarchy prevails makes no difference, as long as the masses think everything is black and white.

[–][deleted] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

This is the reality of the situation. Women's lib has failed women and families, and some have figured that out and are crying about it on tiktok. as it stands now, the gender war has been enshrined into law and marriage rates are down - very down. I guarantee you that elites don't think like me. The elites want division, and feminism has been a vehicle for exactly that. There are some things in life that are black and white. There has never been a successful matriarchal society in the west ever. The only way to repair the nuclear family to roll back rights from people who use them to ruin the family.

[–]Vulptexghost fox girl ^w^ 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

If the elites want division, what better way than to make everything black and white? By fighting for one side you're only helping their plan to take away all rights and rule with absolute power.

[–][deleted] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

They're doing it anyway. They are initiating wokeism as a battering ram. You have an apathetic view of things as your children are fondled and groomed in schools.

[–]ClassroomPast6178 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

Not that men are remotely threatened by FTMs in male sporting categories, but I'm pretty sure if they were, they wouldn't put up with it.

You base this on?

Seriously, when have men successfully fought off an incursion by social justice activists? They even made Boy Scouts coed whilst keeping Girl Guides single sex.

If the FTM athletes were backed by the kinds of lobbyists the MTF are backed by, you can bet the sporting bodies would be engaged in discussions over how to alter the rules to allow FTM competitors even if it meant changing the overall characteristics of the sport. Any men that complained would be given the full Lawrence Fox treatment and would be lucky to work anywhere let alone in their chosen field.

Men’s professional sports (football, NFL, golf, Tennis etc) have one thing that might protect them and that’s money- the organisations behind those sports make hundreds of millions if not billions and they won’t want to risk that. Women’s professional sport makes a fraction of that which means that if putting some MTF on teams attracts more money, then you’re finally going to see a WNBA player dunk.

Over all of this is the weird fact that the trans issue has far greater support amongst women than men, ridiculously high support among normie women, which I really don’t understand.

[–]alladd 5 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 0 fun6 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

I base it on the fact that men don't tolerate this shit the way women do, period. We don't have to. That's our privilege as the people in charge.

The fact that there is "money" behind men's organizations is just an abstract that represents collective interests that aren't gonna change any time soon. Actually watching athleticism is more interesting than staging social dramas with athletes as proxies, which is apparently more interesting than women's sports. But us? We're satisfied. No man on earth wants to watch a 5'1" 120 lb FTM fumble a pass before getting decapitated by a linebacker.

Well, actually, some people might want to see that. But I think it would discourage future players.

(And yeah, they took Boy Scouts. But that was because Boy Scouts has been a hollow shell of its former self for decades and was basically just an open piece for free capture by whoever wanted it.)

[–]Vulptexghost fox girl ^w^ 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

They do fight against it. If you're going to expect them to win I'd like to see you try to win a battle against the TRA agenda. It's impossible, don't be a hypocrite.

If even one woman competing isn't for this, "let them have it" is unfair.

[–]Wanderingthehalls 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (5 children)

What are they arguing about ice-skating? Ice-skating is largely marked according to multi-rotational jump sequences and more men can consistently quad jump than women. The majority of "women" who can do quad jumps, especially in sequences are in reality very, very underweight Russian teenage girls. Trained to use pre-rotated jumps that absolutely destroy their physical health by causing permanent bone and joint damage. Along with the damage of caused by maintaining ridiculously low levels of body fat and almost certainly taking puberty blockers to delay changes to their hips and breasts. Often these women have limited mobility, compared to non-athletes, before their 20th birthday.

Ice-skating is a potentially beautiful sport but healthy, adult women can't do the kind of quad sequences that men and teenagers can, because if you have fully developed bones, organs and adult body fat levels, you need male strength to lift yourself that high, for that long. Although as rotations increased last year with the first successful quad axel in competition, it will be interesting to see if fully developed men can keep up, as the jump is being done by a teenage boy. We can see in sports using similar physics for rotational jumps, like skateboarding, that speed and height for multi-rotation often peaks in childhood, sometimes for males as well as females.

[–]ClassroomPast6178 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

Women’s gymnastics and figure skating are hellish (because of the demands placed on competitors, and the actions of coaches and support staff). Burn them down and start again.

[–]Wanderingthehalls 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Yeah, I'm naturally quite good at both those sports and I love them, both to do and to watch at a high level. But I'm also very glad I never really got to find out how good I had the potential to be because the odds are my life would have been destroyed and I wouldn't have the reasonably good expectation I currently have of a long, physically healthy old age.

And I worry about the kids, especially the girls, involved in the new Olympic fields like skateboarding and breakdancing, because they could very easily go the same way. As in both, elite girls are able to perform impressive moves that elite adult women can't. You just have to look at the ages of the women's skateboarding medalists at the last Olympics, all teenagers, mostly aged 13. (Kokona Hiraki was actually still 12). And child athletes at the peak of their career can be taken advantage of in other ways too. I could write an essay about how Sky Brown is being treated. She's an extremely talented kid with a great work ethic, but one that I believe is being taken advantage of. But that's little to do with the topic at hand.

[–]alladd 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

Oh I had no idea about any of that. I saw one of the comments try to argue that women were better overall as ice skaters and therefore men's domination in any sport was apparently suspect. Real equivocation highlight reel. It was in the midst of a larger cope essay that also included citing sources that if they had actually bothered to read, explictly stated the opposite, that men, even ones who castrate themselves, still have clear advantages.

[–]Wanderingthehalls 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Possibly they mean in pairs categories, especially pairs free figures, which involves a number of jumps and throws where the male skater literally throws the woman in the air, or will add his strength to assist her jump take off, or will hold her overhead, often with one arm while dealing with rotational force that is increasing her weight. It would be much harder for a male-male team to do this as males are naturally heavier than similar sized females. It would be possible with young teenage boys, but I think it would potentially end up looking really creepy. Especially as not only does the artistry in pairs usually involve the appearance of sexual/romantic chemistry between the skaters, but because it's known that there is a lot of abuse of power in pairs skating with is often sexual as well as financial. So it would be creepy as fuck to watch an adult and a child performing together.

[–]OuroborosTheory 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

[–][deleted] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Well, feminists wanted equality lol.