Uganda parliament passes bill criminalizing identifying as LGBTQ, imposes death penalty for some offenses | CNN

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[–]wylanderuk 5 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 0 fun6 insightful - 1 fun -  (8 children)

Why should I care?

In fact protesting this or being against it should be classed as straight up "cultural imperialism" and is that not one of the woke sins as its "their culture".

[–]ClassroomPast6178 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Now now, opinions like that might get you a visit from the local constabulary’s finest Kommissars for wrongthink.

Remember we should defer to BIPOCs on all matters, but not those BIPOCs…and don’t you dare scuff a Koran!

[–]Alienhunter糞大名[S] 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (6 children)

True enough the arguments towards cultural self-determination tend to go to the wayside with these sorts of things. I reckon though they'll claim this law is entirely caused by Christianity and that the "homophobia" didn't exist until the Europeans brought it with them.

It's always seemed like a bit of a stretch to me. But since a lot of these people didn't have written language and therefore history before the colonization it's quite difficult to determine what exactly the attitudes towards homosexuals was.

I suspect it probably varied from tribe to tribe.

[–]wylanderuk 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (5 children)

You mean that Brown peoples religion?

I would suggest that the lower levels of anti gay thought between Christianity and Islam is due to moderating influence of Europeans as both came from the same region...

[–]YJaewedwqewq 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

It's hard to address all the things wrong with this comment, but I'll attempt it.

Palestine was not Arab in the days of Christ or in the days of the Old Testament, and genetic reconstructions of Christ and contemporary/semi-contemporary depictions clearly show Him and the Apostles as being White (or at least very light-skinned)

As for "lower levels of anti-gay thought" the Bible is very clear and outlines perfectly well what the penalties for homosexuality and transvestitism should be.

This is not to mention that even if we disregard massive political and racial changes that occurred in that region, the mere fact that ~700 years separates Christianity from the invention of Islam should punch massive holes in that argument. Over 400 years in the US the position on witchcraft and Satanism went from "ruthlessly hunt down and execute practitioners" to "publicly fund afterschool Satanism clubs", so the idea that the region of origin supposedly being similar somehow makes Christianity and Islam similar in any capacity is ludicrous.

[–]Alienhunter糞大名[S] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

I'm not sure the "lower levels of anti gay thought" is anything more than a modern phenomenon. Though I think European history has seen a long trend towards what I'd consider to be more "humane punishments" from the medieval days where stealing a loaf of bread as a starving poor person might see you executed.

Looking at sodomy laws in particular it's somewhat hard to get a clear picture of what happened between the modern era of historical revisionism and the ancient trend to censorship of vice. It appears that in antiquity it would merely result in castration. Though if wikipedia is to be believed it's the Catholics fault for introducing harsher penalties in Europe during about 1200. Namely death.

I suspect there is likely historical cycles at play where more permissive attitudes give way to problematic behaviors like rape which result in harsh penalties that are then lifted later once the generations move on and the people forget why such penalties were enacted.

If you read the Bible you'll find it has relatively little to say about gay people in particular beyond a levitical command demanding death for sodomy. (Which tends to contradict this narrative such harsh penalties only were a European invention), but reading between the lines we see in the bible that ancient Israel had something of a roving rape gang problem and it seems they weren't particularly choosing of their victims. Sodom is the most famous example but there are later accounts from judges as well about roving gangs of men that went around raping whomever they could catch.

Doesn't seem to be an issue in the New Testament, I suspect the Romans would have crucified such rapists when they caught them.

It may be similar to some of the stories we here from India today where women will get gang raped. I think we tend to think our current era is special and our problems are unique to us, and in some ways they are, but as Solomon once said "There is nothing new under the sun."

We are born, we think our parents are stupid, we do our own stupid, we get old, we have kids, our kids are stupid, they do their own stupid, they get old, the cycle continues.

[–]wylanderuk 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

I am just pointing out that the claims of it being a "white religion" is wrong.

Also a so book that has went through so many translations and revisions over 1000s of years being accurate is the biggest con job ever pulled.

Hell one its ten most important commandments is a case in point. Is it not the case that "thou shall not kill" was supposed to be "thou shall not murder" originally?

Hell I am not even going to claim that that any changes were done on purpose, although I would be very surprised if that was not the case.

[–]Alienhunter糞大名[S] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

It is fair to point out that catholicism is a pretty quintessentially European religion.

It's also fair to point out that Christianity existed in Africa since before catholicism existed.

The current academic trend is to essentialize everything down to really simple narratives probably so testing is easier.

The history of religion is as much the history of politics as anything. The concept that church and state be separate is truly a recent phenomenon. Most kings claimed authority by divine right. Most existing ones of course still do.

[–]wylanderuk 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

The history of religion is as much the history of politics as anything.

Yes, which is why I treat any claims of the various holy books being "the undiluted word of god" as utter horseshite, there have been far to many cooks fucking about in that kitchen for it to pass a sniff test from 100m away.