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[–]Musky༼⁠ ⁠つ⁠ ⁠◕⁠‿⁠◕⁠ ⁠༽⁠つ 🐈 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (6 children)

You can extend that logic to reasons why we did other things in the past, like not allowing women to vote, control money or property, work, etc. Perhaps it wasn't just sexism, and there were reasons for those as well.

[–]Alienhunter糞大名 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (5 children)

Generally speaking, it's more complicated, and depends on the country.

Voting for everyone seems a rather modern sentiment. The concept of democracies themselves being quite old but they generally did operate on some degree of exclusivity in who got to vote. Course that ignores all the successful non-democratic societies as well.

Women's ability to work own property etc varied wildly from place to place. I think outside of places like the middle east where they go to the extreme of not allowing women to go outside, most societies have basically allowed women to control and own property.

[–]Musky༼⁠ ⁠つ⁠ ⁠◕⁠‿⁠◕⁠ ⁠༽⁠つ 🐈 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (4 children)

I don't know, two issues I think probably led to things being the way they once were: many women having a lesser capability for logical thought, and the need for one person to raise the offspring. I don't think women voting or working has generally improved the human condition, although it's not a one-size-fits all situation.

But particularly allowing institutions to raise our children because both parents have to work is an issue. It's a somewhat elegant solution to say we believe the woman cannot work. Then her efforts can be devoted to one's own family's needs rather than an employer's. Although not every woman is a natural caregiver or homemaker.

[–]Vulptexghost fox girl ^w^ 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (3 children)

Women working isn't the reason everyone has to work so much now. The real problem is the degree to which the school system has made people into literal robots. So each generation comes more and more with the attitude that if you aren't constantly working and serving society, you're a worthless little shit. At least if you're a white male. Even being human and making common mistakes is now seen as a sign of disloyalty. It's just yet another metric our ultra-judgemental society uses to enslave everyone. I don't even blame the elites at this point, everyone sucks up to this make-believe "whole" and collectivism. What good is that if no one can benefit from it because they're too busy serving it?

Like communism, fascism, and war, I think we're in an age where people no longer remember how horrific these ideas turned out in the past. There were some really hard times about a century ago, and I think people who lived afterwards understood the need to balance work with other things, and also to question authority (well a little bit at least, more than now) and not fall for things that sound amazing but end terribly. Younger people are a lot more academic, and they tend to be idealists who are attracted to ideas that sound very good on paper but don't work in real life and often violate individual freedom. They think if everyone just works as hard as they can and surrenders themselves to the collective, and the government runs everyone's lives, that we can have a utopia. What's sneaky is that they claim to be very much anti-work, but it turns out that's just another disguise for communism and only applies to work in the private sector. When it's working for society or the state they're totally okay with us, particularly white men, being turned into slaves. I know a lot about this brainwashing technique because the school had me when I was younger. I snapped out of it when their demands became too much to handle.

The bigger root of most of these problems today though is the excessive judgmental attitudes and virtue signaling. I suppose that may be a byproduct of mass media, I don't really know.

[–]Musky༼⁠ ⁠つ⁠ ⁠◕⁠‿⁠◕⁠ ⁠༽⁠つ 🐈 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

Women working isn't the reason everyone has to work so much now.

If you halve the workforce, they're all twice as valuable.

if you aren't constantly working and serving society, you're a worthless little shit

People who have leisure time have the time to reflect, that is highly discouraged in society. Good little cogs don't think.

Great comment btw.

[–]Vulptexghost fox girl ^w^ 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

If you halve the workforce, they're all twice as valuable.

It would also work if couples started working part time. That would give both of them a balance instead of all one or the other. And men and women wouldn't complain about each other as much because they'd both understand both domains.

People who have leisure time have the time to reflect, that is highly discouraged in society. Good little cogs don't think.

Exactly! I can't believe I forgot to mention that. This is actually what the Pharaoh did to keep the Hebrew slaves in line.

[–]Alienhunter糞大名 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Yeah it's not "women working" that's the problem. Women have always worked some jobs. The problem is "both parents working" just kinda dilutes the labor pool and makes everyone have to compete more.

Feminists look down on the stay at home mother or the girl that isn't into the career mindset and just wants a job that lets them meet potential mates. I say more power to them, if they want to do that and it makes them happy why the fuck is it a problem?

It's like the crazed feminists are the same as the hardline crazed religious types, they can't imagine anyone being happy unless they choose to live exactly the same way as them. And they aren't happy themselves. Misery loves company.