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[–]William_World 5 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 0 fun6 insightful - 1 fun -  (22 children)

should have shunned, and not encouraged them

[–]Musky༼⁠ ⁠つ⁠ ⁠◕⁠‿⁠◕⁠ ⁠༽⁠つ 💛 9 insightful - 1 fun9 insightful - 0 fun10 insightful - 1 fun -  (21 children)

I feel compassion is warranted when deviant lifestyles aren't popular like they are now. I'm all for accepting freaks and weirdos, except when it becomes mainstream and leads people to ape the behavior. That's problematic.

[–]Entropick 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (20 children)

I'm having the issue of guilt from my aggressive support of homosexual lifestyles for decades because I felt they deserved at least a place to exist, I had NO IDEA it would turn into state-backed teaching the kids to be gay situation!

[–]Musky༼⁠ ⁠つ⁠ ⁠◕⁠‿⁠◕⁠ ⁠༽⁠つ 💛 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (19 children)

What the conservatives in the 90s said would happen if we embraced homosexuality happened. They totalled called it.

We just believed the propaganda we were fed. Just as kids do now.

[–]Alienhunter糞大名 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (9 children)

You just have to sit and think, why did societies take such a harsh stance against homosexuality in the past?

(Oh it's because they were a bunch of old-fashioned bigots)

Ok sure but why were they old fashioned bigots? If gay people never caused issues why was society so opposed to it?

Something made society that way.

I'm not saying we send out people to police people's bedrooms or raid the gay bars, I don't think we should do that. But I do think public expressions of sexuality shouldn't really be encouraged.

[–]Musky༼⁠ ⁠つ⁠ ⁠◕⁠‿⁠◕⁠ ⁠༽⁠つ 💛 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (7 children)

You can extend that logic to reasons why we did other things in the past, like not allowing women to vote, control money or property, work, etc. Perhaps it wasn't just sexism, and there were reasons for those as well.

[–]Alienhunter糞大名 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (5 children)

Generally speaking, it's more complicated, and depends on the country.

Voting for everyone seems a rather modern sentiment. The concept of democracies themselves being quite old but they generally did operate on some degree of exclusivity in who got to vote. Course that ignores all the successful non-democratic societies as well.

Women's ability to work own property etc varied wildly from place to place. I think outside of places like the middle east where they go to the extreme of not allowing women to go outside, most societies have basically allowed women to control and own property.

[–]Musky༼⁠ ⁠つ⁠ ⁠◕⁠‿⁠◕⁠ ⁠༽⁠つ 💛 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (4 children)

I don't know, two issues I think probably led to things being the way they once were: many women having a lesser capability for logical thought, and the need for one person to raise the offspring. I don't think women voting or working has generally improved the human condition, although it's not a one-size-fits all situation.

But particularly allowing institutions to raise our children because both parents have to work is an issue. It's a somewhat elegant solution to say we believe the woman cannot work. Then her efforts can be devoted to one's own family's needs rather than an employer's. Although not every woman is a natural caregiver or homemaker.

[–]Vulptexghost fox girl ^w^ 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (3 children)

Women working isn't the reason everyone has to work so much now. The real problem is the degree to which the school system has made people into literal robots. So each generation comes more and more with the attitude that if you aren't constantly working and serving society, you're a worthless little shit. At least if you're a white male. Even being human and making common mistakes is now seen as a sign of disloyalty. It's just yet another metric our ultra-judgemental society uses to enslave everyone. I don't even blame the elites at this point, everyone sucks up to this make-believe "whole" and collectivism. What good is that if no one can benefit from it because they're too busy serving it?

Like communism, fascism, and war, I think we're in an age where people no longer remember how horrific these ideas turned out in the past. There were some really hard times about a century ago, and I think people who lived afterwards understood the need to balance work with other things, and also to question authority (well a little bit at least, more than now) and not fall for things that sound amazing but end terribly. Younger people are a lot more academic, and they tend to be idealists who are attracted to ideas that sound very good on paper but don't work in real life and often violate individual freedom. They think if everyone just works as hard as they can and surrenders themselves to the collective, and the government runs everyone's lives, that we can have a utopia. What's sneaky is that they claim to be very much anti-work, but it turns out that's just another disguise for communism and only applies to work in the private sector. When it's working for society or the state they're totally okay with us, particularly white men, being turned into slaves. I know a lot about this brainwashing technique because the school had me when I was younger. I snapped out of it when their demands became too much to handle.

The bigger root of most of these problems today though is the excessive judgmental attitudes and virtue signaling. I suppose that may be a byproduct of mass media, I don't really know.

[–]Musky༼⁠ ⁠つ⁠ ⁠◕⁠‿⁠◕⁠ ⁠༽⁠つ 💛 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

Women working isn't the reason everyone has to work so much now.

If you halve the workforce, they're all twice as valuable.

if you aren't constantly working and serving society, you're a worthless little shit

People who have leisure time have the time to reflect, that is highly discouraged in society. Good little cogs don't think.

Great comment btw.

[–]Vulptexghost fox girl ^w^ 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Since sexism was so normalized in those days I think the real reason was most people just aren't able to question what is. If that's how society is already set up and that's what everyone else believes, they go along with it, even if it makes absolutely zero sense.

[–]Vulptexghost fox girl ^w^ 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Society has always hated those who are different, so it wouldn't be too surprising if they just hated gay people for no reason.

[–]William_World 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (8 children)

which is why it's safe to assume that they will keep going and make pedoes accepted next

[–]Musky༼⁠ ⁠つ⁠ ⁠◕⁠‿⁠◕⁠ ⁠༽⁠つ 💛 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (7 children)

They've already been at it for decades. They kind of poke it in a little every now and then, test the waters, but it's generally met with revulsion. I'd like to think that we have a biological instinct to not harm children, but there have been societies like the Greeks who thought every child and slave should be a fucktoy. Sodom and Gomorrah come to mind as famous cautionary tales as well. If it happened before it could conceivably happen again.

[–]QueenBread[S] 3 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 2 fun -  (4 children)

You've never studied much about ancient history, isn't it? The ancient Greeks never said "child and slaves should be fuck toys". Watch less movies and study real history.

What the Greeks did was to be sexist and claim man+man was better than man+woman simply because women are inferior. What they also said was that an adult man having a sexual relationship with a teenager was a good idea if that meant the teen could be groomed into being a fiercer, better soldier. Some ancient Greek author even wrote the equivalent of a modern day's internet article, claiming that "it would be good to have homosexual soldiers because they would protect each other in the battlefield and they would not need to go back to their women".

[–]Musky༼⁠ ⁠つ⁠ ⁠◕⁠‿⁠◕⁠ ⁠༽⁠つ 💛 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

You've never studied much about ancient history, isn't it? The ancient Greeks never said "child and slaves should be fuck toys". Watch less movies and study real history.

I don't claim to be an expert on ancient Greece, but that is my understanding of the factual history. The influence of pederasty on Greek culture of these periods was so prevalent that it has been called "the principal cultural model for free relationships between citizens." That article goes into detail on the slaves as well, at one point mentioning it was less socially acceptable.

[–]QueenBread[S] 2 insightful - 3 fun2 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 3 fun -  (2 children)

Ah wow, a Wikipedia source! I guess my 5 fuckin' years of studying the actual ancient classics are now useless in front of it! After all, we all know a Wiki article anybody can edit is far more reliable than spending years reading the actual source material.

[–]Musky༼⁠ ⁠つ⁠ ⁠◕⁠‿⁠◕⁠ ⁠༽⁠つ 💛 3 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 2 fun -  (1 child)

I'm open to better sources, but "just trust me bro, I have a liberal arts degree" is honestly less compelling to me than a Wikipedia entry.

Wikipedia isn't great, it's just convienient.

[–]William_World 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Yeah not everyone would do it but without society and it's rules there'd be a lot of terrible rapists out there. And children are just an easy target. I mean it happens anyway unfortunately but supporting and accepting pedoes will just obviously make the problem a hundred times worse.

[–]chottohen 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

poke it in

Are we still doing phrasing?