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[–]ClassroomPast6178 16 insightful - 1 fun16 insightful - 0 fun17 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

I could cite the American Medical Association, the American Psychiatric Association, the American Psychological Association and the American Academy of Pediatrics on their support for gender-affirming care for young people.

That’s good and all, but those organisations based their support on ideology and not evidence. So it’s entirely worthless - and a decent news agency would have pulled you up on that assertion but you’re writing for CNN and well, it’s CNN.

[–]LordoftheFliesAmeri-kin 2.0. Pronouns: MegaWhite/SuperStraight/UltraPatriarchy 12 insightful - 1 fun12 insightful - 0 fun13 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Considering how TRAs react with bile and foaming-at-the-mouth violence when they're not unquestionably agreed with, I'm not the least the bit surprised that this idiot found people from those cited groups who just nodded along when questioned. Anyone who didn't actually agree either avoided being questioned or lied through their teeth to keep from being targeted in a hit piece.

[–]Alienhunter糞大名[S] 8 insightful - 3 fun8 insightful - 2 fun9 insightful - 3 fun -  (0 children)

Well again this is a blind appeal to authority. But it's the "I could cite this overwhelming scientific evidence that exists but.."

Nah go on cite it. Why not. I wanna hear what they say. Let's talk about that.

But nope personal anecdote of course.

"Instead, I want to share a conversation with my grandmother.

She is the most conservative woman I know, and when we discussed state-level bans on gender-affirming care for children, she disagreed with me. She said that these health care practices should be withheld from children because they can’t make a fateful decision such as that until they’re adults.

But I told her this basic fact: Letting trans children have access to essential health care like this is necessary to let them live a truth instead of a lie, reduce their risks for suicide and improve their sense of self-worth, their relationships with their families and their ability to see a future with themselves in it. She saw the necessity and agreed with me."

Hmm, did she? It sounds to me like you just said "nope you're wrong" and she dropped it to avoid a fight.

All this talk about truth and lies. Being your real self and all that. It's hogwash. But it gets away from the real core of the issue. It's that we don't actually know what the fuck this shit does to people. And there's no real telling what the long term suicide rates are like either. And I think that's where we need to be focusing on.

You just look at her story you see several phases.

"I prefer to play with the boys" ok that's fine some subset of girls prefer to play with the boys and vice versa.

"I decided to myself I really am a boy" Wanting to play with the boys and do "boy things" doesn't change the fact you are a girl.

"I came out and they wouldn't let me use the bathroom I belong in"

You don't have a penis you don't belong in the men's room. Yes the bathrooms are segregated based on genitals. Yes we are simplifying things to the genitals since that's where piss comes from and that's what you are supposed to do in the restroom. You can't even use half the toilets in the men's room. You'd probably whine about how urinals are transphobic or some shit.

"Other people didn't see me as a boy!"

Because you aren't, but also who cares? Why do you give a fuck about what other people think if you accept yourself? (Trick question you don't accept yourself).

"I need testosterone so other people accept me"

If they didn't accept you before testosterone won't make them accept you.

"Now I'm on testosterone and I feel great and don't feel like I want to disappear"

Yes male puberty is a bitch and it's why boys do dumb fucking shit for attention sometimes and you know roid rage and all that shit. Of course you feel great starting it. What's going to happen when the initial changes end your body accustoms to it and you no longer get that testosterone "high" so to speak. Will it result in long term happiness for you. Or will you start not feeling like yourself again?

Puberty is a bitch and I don't blame any girl for hating herself going through it, seems kinda normal to feel that way tbh. But I mean, that's life.

The same reason doctors hesitate to give mastectomies is because people do later regret youthful decisions. Even at 18 or 21 or 25 not everyone is always making decisions they are going to be happy with later. But the difference with these and normal adult decisions like contracts and shit is that the consequences are limited and often not permanent. If you get that mastectomy at 22 and then suddenly decide you really want kids around 35 or so. Well you can't. And it's not so uncommon as many of the 20 year old types complaining about how they can't get them think. You change as you get older.

You make a decision to change genders at 17. But you can't actually change. Are you going to be happy with that decision at 50?

I'm very curious what it is that she feels she gets by transitioning. Reading this it sounds like she has some kind of untreated mental health disorder that is making her depressed, and that she feels transitioning will "make others see her the way she wants to be seen" so it's like a body image thing? Probably. Or narcissism? Possible.

I knew one trans man in college (I assume I don't bother with prying into people's personal lives uninvited) and "he" looked more like a small boy and acted like someone with an inferiority complex. You know the type, like a really short guy that feels like he needs to put on a fake tough guy act to be respected. But he'd also throw an absolute fit from time to time. Happened in one class when we were discussing exactly this sort of issue. Just absolutely went bonkers at the very idea that there was any sort of sexual dimorphism and performance difference in sports. And that wasn't even touching the trans issue was just discussing muscle mass.

[–]Riothamusidentifies as sane 10 insightful - 3 fun10 insightful - 2 fun11 insightful - 3 fun -  (1 child)

Oh no!

Anyway...

[–]Alienhunter糞大名[S] 8 insightful - 4 fun8 insightful - 3 fun9 insightful - 4 fun -  (0 children)

The mean old republicans won't let me chop my dick off until after I turn 18!

[–]clownworlddropout 7 insightful - 5 fun7 insightful - 4 fun8 insightful - 5 fun -  (0 children)

Yes, I agree, protect "trans" kids by taking them away from their insane parents.

[–]Alienhunter糞大名[S] 6 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 0 fun7 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Getting creepy vibes from the testosterone praising.

Yeah of course you're gonna feel like you can take on the world on that.

[–]SMCAB 3 insightful - 3 fun3 insightful - 2 fun4 insightful - 3 fun -  (7 children)

Trans children are mentally ill children, most likely that way from mentally ill parents, get the correct help. Or don't, this shit is too funny anyway.

[–]cephyrious 5 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 0 fun6 insightful - 1 fun -  (6 children)

Most "trans children" are probably gay. Nothing wrong with being gay. Confusing gay children to this modern conversion therapy that has sterilization as a side effect is what's mentally ill.

[–]Alienhunter糞大名[S] 5 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 0 fun6 insightful - 1 fun -  (4 children)

Even that line of reasoning while I understand it I don't really agree. Like, I get we see the kid, and think, yeah I'm not gonna be surprised if that kid turns out to be gay, but we don't really know if the kid is gay or not do we?

It's all pretty stupid, gay men are men that fuck men. So what is a gay child? Adults trying to sexualize children is what I'd say.

Any parent that goes out of their way to tell me their child is LGBTQ whatever I basically ask them straight "why did you watch them do it? or were you a participant?"

[–]lunarstrain 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

Might as well share something anecdotal but speaking as carpet muncher myself, I realized I was of the dykely persuasion at the age of 10. I wanted a girlfriend. My friend who is a homo says he began developing crushes on other boys at around the age of 8. Neither of us were diddled or even had gayness explained. While things may or may not be set in stone, I feel as if there may be earlier life developmental stages for those of who are homo inclined. I mean, wouldn't it still be gay if you wanted to kiss dudes all the time?

It's just dangerous to discuss such a thing with children with how easily influenced they are.

[–]Alienhunter糞大名[S] 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

I can buy that you're "wired that way" or born that way or whatever and that becomes clear with the benefit of hindsight. I'm not sure it's as set in stone as people seem want to believe though as I've definitely noticed a lot of "former sexual abuse victim starts identifying as gay" as well, so I think we've got an open argument on how much of it's "nature vs nurture" or even if it's the same for everyone.

I remember the last time I had mandatory sensitivity training this guy was telling his story of how he was gay and I kid you not it started with "when I was in kindergarten my best friend was a boy" and I'm sitting there thinking, isn't that true of most everyone? Gay or not? Kindergarten aged kids usually end up hanging round the same sex? Seemed really odd. Granted this gay guy is married to a trans man so he seems very much "straight with extra steps" to me.

[–]cephyrious 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

True, we should let kids be kids. If they display gender non-conforming behaviour it makes as little sense declaring them gay as trans, although statistically gay is more likely. If they aren't even teens yet, either is absolutely irrelevant.

[–]Alienhunter糞大名[S] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

They might turn out gay they might not. Conforming kid might turn out straight might not. Kids a kid. Let the kid be a kid. Sexuality is an adult concept the kid doesn't need to be bothered with until they are old enough to have sex.

Kid wants to wear a dress whatever, probably just wants to dress up, doesn't mean shit. Most you can say is, other kids will make fun of you. Which is true, or was, before the schools started to go on their anti-bullying crusades to the point of hindrance of normal human development.

I've known straight adults that so drag and shit, I don't understand it but I also don't care. Do shit for adults, not for kids, doesn't matter.

[–]SMCAB 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Fair enough, and you're correct.

[–]troons_in_paradise 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

Trans activist Veronica Ivy went on the Daily Show last summer to advocate for transwomen competing in women's sports.

This transwoman is a beast of a man but tried to soften the facial features, adam's apple and broad shoulders with some cutesy rainbow glasses.

What struck me about the interview was Trevor Noah's abject fear of challenging this troon on any point. I've never seen him walk on eggshells like in this interview.

Of the thousands of comments, almost nobody is buying what this troon is selling. The arguments put forward by this trans basically amounted to: let transwomen compete otherwise you're a transphobe.

I think we might have turned a corner in this debate. Normal people are fighting back against this ideology. And it's not just the gender critical types anymore.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-Fb48tivB-0&t=120s&ab_channel=TheDailyShow

[–]LyingSpirit472 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

The arguments put forward by this trans basically amounted to: let transwomen compete otherwise you're a transphobe.

Could be worse- the amount of snarts who went mask off and said "Well, yes, there is a difference between transwomen that'll make us destroy the women in the sport...but that just means you know we're going to win and you just don't want to see us WIN!" is notable as well.

[–]handbananasrevenge 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Good

[–]UncleWillard56 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

I still think it's terrible logic to support delusion by allowing a person suffering from a disorder to "transition" instead of working to cure the supposed disorder. Why are we not working on medication/treatment to cure that imbalance instead of feeding its symptoms? If we're to believe the trans and medical community, gender dysmorphia/dysphoria is some sort of chemical imbalance. Why are we not moving to treat that imbalance rather than creating this identity politics community? You don't tell schizophrenics to lean into the voices they're hearing and act on what they're telling you?