Help, my kid patient has their own mind and so now I have no idea what to do.

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[–]SerpensInferna 27 insightful - 4 fun27 insightful - 3 fun28 insightful - 4 fun -  (1 child)

Raising a child as non-binary IS abusive.

[–]BellaBlue 18 insightful - 2 fun18 insightful - 1 fun19 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

I can't wait for the day all those 'theybies' are legal adults and tell the world about the abuses they all endured.

[–]BellaBlue 21 insightful - 8 fun21 insightful - 7 fun22 insightful - 8 fun -  (4 children)

Hmmm. Very curious take from the party of "Listen to peoples' lived experiences."

[–]LordoftheFliesAmeri-kin 2.0. Pronouns: MegaWhite/SuperStraight/UltraPatriarchy 19 insightful - 4 fun19 insightful - 3 fun20 insightful - 4 fun -  (0 children)

Yeah, well, we've long established that those "lived experiences" only count when they conform to the approved narrative of the listeners. Anything else is internalized [whatever] and therefore not to be acknowledged in any way.

[–]jet199[S] 15 insightful - 2 fun15 insightful - 1 fun16 insightful - 2 fun -  (1 child)

Also for people who are constantly going on about trauma, violence and harm she's pretty reticent about calling the child abuse going on right in front of her by its name.

[–]LordoftheFliesAmeri-kin 2.0. Pronouns: MegaWhite/SuperStraight/UltraPatriarchy 10 insightful - 1 fun10 insightful - 0 fun11 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

At a guess? She realizes that opening up this particular can of worms is all too likely to expose things that she, personally, loudly champions.

[–]Alienhunter糞大名 12 insightful - 3 fun12 insightful - 2 fun13 insightful - 3 fun -  (0 children)

All lived experiences are valid but some experiences are more valid than others.

[–]ClassroomPast6178 18 insightful - 4 fun18 insightful - 3 fun19 insightful - 4 fun -  (12 children)

Terrifying that a school staff member with a safeguarding role is asking for advice as to how to prevent a child reject the abuse that they have suffered their entire life. That staffmember should be fired, and reported to whichever licensing authority is responsible for their accreditation and struck off.

It’s an entirely insane, and mores to the point, entirely outside of their fucking ideology. The whole underpinnings of gender identity theory are that individuals decide their gender identity themselves, according to them a parent can no more raise their kid NB as they could make their kid cis.

The fact that this person is having this reaction to this child’s, and his sister’s, rejection of gender identity theory speaks volumes about their own beliefs and how fragile they are.

In conclusion, I hope they’re fucking fired.

[–]LyingSpirit472 14 insightful - 1 fun14 insightful - 0 fun15 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

...on paper, you'd be right.

In practice...you know there's only one thing in that story that would get this person fired, and it's "after a paragraph or two they stopped even bothering to call the parent NB themselves and started calling them the kid's mother."

[–]Alienhunter糞大名 13 insightful - 1 fun13 insightful - 0 fun14 insightful - 1 fun -  (5 children)

Unfortunately in real life a lot of these "positions" counselors and mandatory reporters and what not, don't really work. I've seen it many times. You'll have the parent who is by all intents and purposes abusive in some way and the kid complaining about it. But few people will take the kid seriously because often when the parent is a practiced and experienced narcissist they are extremely good and deflection, narrative control, and flipping the narrative against whomever is making the accusation. And it's very easy to do that against kids since they often lack the experience and shall I say "political knowhow" to navigate these issues diplomatically.

I completely agree with the kid in this case. Which frankly is quite nice to hear that the fucked up kids raised this way still ultimately come around to know the truth. But the kid accusing the parents of being horrible is going to be ignored because all teenagers do this, and the narcissistic parents will flip that around with crocodile tears about how they don't know how their kid could have been so I grateful when they sacrificed so much for them and other emotional appeals that will be more or less accepted by the majority of adults who don't see what is really going on.

The core problem here isn't merely one of the gender ideology but one of parents who do for whatever reason go whoring after whatever chic new ideological parenting approach or fad that gives them the social credit of being "I'm not like other parents I'm better" for whatever reason. These types of parents won't actually critically examine if their parenting styles and approaches are working, will bury obvious problems and criticisms with their chosen approach because it threatens their status as a "special parent". And ultimately they won't have to deal with the fallout from it beyond the estranged relationship from their children that invariably results from it. Since dealing with the negatives of the chosen ideological path is a burden born solely on the child to figure out some way to correct once they are an adult.

This will start to become more apparent from the gender specials in the coming years as you see here some of the first kids are aging out and rejecting it all. They are the first adopters more will be coming.

Around the 2030's or 2040's or so you'll see this come about with another experimental child rearing decision, homeschooling, as it was massively boosted by COVID policies in various places. Often with good intentions but like anything, but it shares many of the same problems with the enabling of utterly insane narcissist parents given a carte blanche to fuck up their kids however they see fit with zero pushback from anyone with the authority to step in and force course corrections when they lose the plot.

[–]LyingSpirit472 5 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 0 fun6 insightful - 1 fun -  (4 children)

For the kids trying to tell their issues, especially in something like this- even more than the parensts knowing what to say, this can't work because a lesson every kid learns quickly is "people don't want the truth, they want what they want to hear", and it's only gotten worse since even news and culture has been calibrated to "what you want to hear": You want the world to be like this, so it is. Your opinions are right, your favorite show/band/etc. is the zeitgeist right now, and you'll find people who agree and you can form your echo chamber. The kid can't have their way because the person you told decided the kid was wrong.

As far as homeschooling, I doubt it will come about because of two big reasons: Homeschooling existed for more time than just the recent form and was still fucking up kids all along, and more specifically, the problems with experimental homeschooling directly go against another experimental child rearing decision that is just as ready for a reckoning: Anti-bullying and Zero tolerance policies (again, done with good intentions, but in practice has led to "Kids are fully aware zero tolerance punishes the victim too even if they let it happen, they'll use zero tolerance as a way to bully kids...then throw in social media means the bullies can bully a target 24/7, the victim is aware no authority or teacher will listen to them and will likely take the bully's side and blame them for it, it becomes clear to the victim "they will not stop. The bully will not stop until I am dead..." there becomes no other option to get out of it except taking the law into your own hands and saying "I can't live if this person survives. If I want to survive, I have to kill my bully.", they realize "I'm already going to be in jail for life if I do it or worse...in for a penny, in for a pound, might as well get all these other people I dislike. You can't give me MORE jail time than life imprisonment or execute me TWICE- especially if I end myself before they get to me"...mass shootings skyrocket.

[–]Alienhunter糞大名 5 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 0 fun6 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

Yeah no I agree the situation in public schools is also quite bad and they are definitely going to end up messing up kids a lot there. Homeschooling isn't always terrible but there's a key difference between the situations.

In a school situation there are people around who are "supposed to" notice if the kid has problems. Like if the kid shows up half starved or with obvious injuries or the kid mentions their house is full of cat piss or something. Sure often times they don't notice the problem because the system is broken.

Homeschooling just means there's nobody to notice ever. Since you've already got the crazy parents picking it specifically to hide from the negative attention they are getting from school officials I think it exasperates the issue further.

[–]ClassroomPast6178 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

In a school situation there are people around who are "supposed to" notice if the kid has problems. Like if the kid shows up half starved or with obvious injuries or the kid mentions their house is full of cat piss or something. Sure often times they don't notice the problem because the system is broken.

It’s hard to hide if safeguarding is done properly. Doing safeguarding properly means keeping records and allowing staff to log all suspicious things without worrying that they will be told off for “worrying about nothing”. You might not detect it the first time a kid gets a black eye, but after the black eye, scratched arm, perennially dirty clothes and violent outbursts in class you start to build up a picture and you call in proper investigators.

Schools I’ve worked at have moved to a computerised system that violates reports about children so that as new ones come in the safeguarding leads are presented not just with the current cause for concern but all the previous ones too and they can start to build a picture up.

Homeschooling just means there's nobody to notice ever. Since you've already got the crazy parents picking it specifically to hide from the negative attention they are getting from school officials

One of the surest signs of some form of abuse is switching schools frequently. Schools are beginning to share their safeguarding records to prevent that from detecting abuse or neglect.

[–]LyingSpirit472 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

One of the surest signs of some form of abuse is switching schools frequently. Schools are beginning to share their safeguarding records to prevent that from detecting abuse or neglect.

Not only that, but aren't homeschooled students held to certain educational standards and the homeschoolers forced to prove they're being taught at a similar or better level than traditional students...and thus, if there's some abuse they'd have some checks as well? [Shit, IIRC if the student is not doing well in tests, be it "they don't test well", they have a learning disability, or even 'they're just stupid', that can be grounds for CPS to come in and cry abuse in a homeschool situation.]

[–]ClassroomPast6178 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

I don’t know what the rules are for homeschooling if I’m honest. I have some vague recollection that parents in England have to register and provide some proof they’re actually educating their kids, but I don’t actually know as I’ve only ever taught in the state sector and I’ve never done any private tuition.

I’ve met people who had amazing homeschool experiences with parents who gave them experiences that they wouldn’t ever get in private or state schools, but the weirdest adult I ever met was also homeschooled and it was clear that, whilst he was smart as fuck, he wasn’t socialised properly and he struggled at university because of it.

[–]Bonn1770 8 insightful - 4 fun8 insightful - 3 fun9 insightful - 4 fun -  (2 children)

I hope they’re fucking fired.

Out of a canon.

[–]LordoftheFliesAmeri-kin 2.0. Pronouns: MegaWhite/SuperStraight/UltraPatriarchy 3 insightful - 4 fun3 insightful - 3 fun4 insightful - 4 fun -  (1 child)

Might have better luck using a cannon :p. Firing them out of a camera or a printer probably wouldn't have the same effect.

[–]cant_even 3 insightful - 3 fun3 insightful - 2 fun4 insightful - 3 fun -  (0 children)

Much less firing them out of "a body of principles, rules, standards, or norms".

[–]Bonn1770 5 insightful - 2 fun5 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 2 fun -  (1 child)

You ever notice how drunk people are always trying to get everyone else around them to get drunk too? I think it is the same thing driving these trannies. "I've made a terrible decision so everyone else has to do the same thing so I don't stand out."

[–]ClassroomPast6178 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Misery loves company.

[–]TaseAFeminist4Jesus 11 insightful - 3 fun11 insightful - 2 fun12 insightful - 3 fun -  (0 children)

Solid post, but please knock it off with the spammy Imgur links. If you really want to post Imgur links (not sure why you would, but if), there is a way to link directly to the image instead of linking to the crime against decency that is their main site.

[–]handbananasrevenge 10 insightful - 4 fun10 insightful - 3 fun11 insightful - 4 fun -  (0 children)

“I am an intersectional feminist”

I’m sure that’s also their entire personality.

[–]LordoftheFliesAmeri-kin 2.0. Pronouns: MegaWhite/SuperStraight/UltraPatriarchy 10 insightful - 2 fun10 insightful - 1 fun11 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

You know, I was reading this on Imgur, and on the right side of the page is Imgur displaying its blatant leftist ideology with a featured post about how the Republicans are attacking the trans community using the fascist playbook.

sigh

Just another day in Bizarro World.

[–]slavdude0 7 insightful - 3 fun7 insightful - 2 fun8 insightful - 3 fun -  (0 children)

Ideology has no place in healthcare you posing as psychologist twat.

[–]Musky༼⁠ ⁠つ⁠ ⁠◕⁠‿⁠◕⁠ ⁠༽⁠つ 🐈 7 insightful - 3 fun7 insightful - 2 fun8 insightful - 3 fun -  (1 child)

I think I already know the answer to this, but are all intersectional feminists massive cunts?

[–]jet199[S] 9 insightful - 11 fun9 insightful - 10 fun10 insightful - 11 fun -  (0 children)

There's certainly an intersection.

[–]JasonCarswellSisyphus / Ouroboros 7 insightful - 3 fun7 insightful - 2 fun8 insightful - 3 fun -  (0 children)

I'm sad for all children in these insane culture wars.

[–]The_Best_Yak_Ever 8 insightful - 1 fun8 insightful - 0 fun9 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Okay… NO! The school Psychologist is waaaaay out of line. This is not about her and her gender ideology. This is a student (not a fucking patient. School psychs have students, not patients), who is growing out of an enforced pseudo religion. If this same kid wanted to break away from the southern baptists, she wouldn’t be having a fit. This idiot needs to stay in her own lane and not let her own beliefs interfere with this kid’s decisions and development. Non binary is a nonsense label. This is obviously a regular male with a regular female sister. They were fed a load of tripe by parents who wanted to feel extra special and signal to the world (undoubtedly all over social media) how “enlightened” they were. But you can’t make someone non binary. It’s a fashion statement, and a cry for attention. If they really wanted to let the kid decide, they would fucking respect his and her decisions. Fuck this self-important clown.

[–][deleted] 8 insightful - 1 fun8 insightful - 0 fun9 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

"I think he will reject me entirely if he thinks I am his 'enemy'"

Bitch you are very clearly the enemy, poor fucking kids

[–]Femaleisnthateful 7 insightful - 2 fun7 insightful - 1 fun8 insightful - 2 fun -  (1 child)

Anyone else notice the OP starts referring to the 'non-binary' parent as a she? Even the faithful are prone to sin...

[–]IMissPorn 7 insightful - 2 fun7 insightful - 1 fun8 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

Also called the child both he and they... in the same sentence.

[–]IMissPorn 7 insightful - 1 fun7 insightful - 0 fun8 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

I have to wonder if posts like this are real sometimes. Nothing about it is implausible (sadly) but taken as a whole it just seems too perfect.

[–]clownworlddropout 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

It's a little too on the nose to be real

[–]jet199[S] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

If someone was going to fake it they'd put in how she needed advice on how to force him to see the light, not how to speak to him nicely.

[–]IMissPorn 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

It depends on their goal. If it was just a troll or parody yeah, but if they were actually trying to make people stop and think, presenting the counselor as sympathetic but misguided is a good choice.

[–]DirewolfGhost 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Has the school counsellor tried cutting his bits off? I hear eunuchs are less uppity.

[–][deleted] 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Based children and a gross groomer parent.

[–]Threesrwild 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

The mentally ill counseling someone trying not to be mentally ill.

[–]bife_de_lomo 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

"No, it's the children who are wrong..."

[–]exiled_from_reddit 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

What is the source of this screenshot?

[–]UncleWillard56 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Help, my kids school psychologist is mixing politics in with psychology. How can you possibly help someone if you let your own ideology interfere?