r/MTF forms a circular firing line

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[–]alladd 18 insightful - 5 fun18 insightful - 4 fun19 insightful - 5 fun -  (0 children)

It's always funny when one of these white dudes slips up and drops the facade of pretending to be a victim for a second. You realize they see each other the exact way we see them.

[–]clownworlddropout 14 insightful - 12 fun14 insightful - 11 fun15 insightful - 12 fun -  (0 children)

"Trans" and autistic? What are the odds!

[–]MikeSopes 13 insightful - 6 fun13 insightful - 5 fun14 insightful - 6 fun -  (2 children)

I kinda wanted to see this turn into a constant cycle of them one-upping each other's afflictions.

"Hey, that's not nice, laughing at the gorilla remark!" "Oh, yeah? Well, I'm trans and autistic!" "Well... I'm trans, autistic, and bipolar!" "Did I forget to mention that I'm trans, autistic, bipolar, and a quadriplegic?"

ad infinitum

[–]jet199 9 insightful - 5 fun9 insightful - 4 fun10 insightful - 5 fun -  (0 children)

They could also have accused him of racism just for saying the G word.

[–]OuroborosTheory 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

sounds like a John Callahan bit

[–]LtGreenCo 12 insightful - 3 fun12 insightful - 2 fun13 insightful - 3 fun -  (2 children)

I'm never going to pass with this body type these XY chromosomes.

FTFY

[–]MikeSopes 5 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 0 fun6 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

It's almost like the two are connected somehow

[–]Vulptexghost fox girl ^w^ 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Rarely it is possible.

[–]Alienhunter糞大名 10 insightful - 2 fun10 insightful - 1 fun11 insightful - 2 fun -  (15 children)

Seems like a good trolling mask.

Pretend to be trans, pretend to be autistic. Insult people, when they get mad, pretend they are transphobic "ableists".

I've had autistic adults try to use the autism as an excuse for socially unacceptable behavior before. Not "I'm sorry I didn't realize I caused a problem because I'm autistic" that's fine. But "How dare you criticize me I'm autistic if hurts me feelings!"

I dare. Your autism is no excuse to be an outright cunt. You are an adult. You have to at least make the effort not to act like a social parish, and if me telling you your behavior is problematic makes you cry, good, cry, and stop behaving like a social pariah.

[–]Femaleisnthateful 10 insightful - 2 fun10 insightful - 1 fun11 insightful - 2 fun -  (12 children)

Autism, like ADHD has become a weird identity cult thing. I know multiple otherwise normal people in my social circle who have self-diagnosed themselves or their family members as an explanation for anything from 'feeling different ' to excusing bad behaviour and deflect blame.

[–]Alienhunter糞大名 8 insightful - 1 fun8 insightful - 0 fun9 insightful - 1 fun -  (4 children)

It's like the south park episode where Cartman pretends to have Tourettes so he can cuss anytime he wants or when he pretends to be retarded to play in the special Olympics.

Turns out, pretending to be retarded is actually retarded. Who would have guessed?

This shit is spread by social media contagion now but before social media it spread via mommy groups desperately trying to find ways for their child to be special. Munchausen's by proxy essentially. But not really. It's something a bit different similar but ever so slightly different.

I've known several legitamately autistic people. It's usually very easy to tell. And well, you don't have to say anything about it. But they fall I to two categories. There's the "I'm sorry I mistook your social cues" people who make no excuses about it, these people are usually great, and welcome at most any social gatherings because well, any problematic behaviors they might have are easily remedied by asking them not to do so. Wonderful.

Then there's the annoying "You can't tell me what to do I'm autistic" types. Horrifyingly sometimes they actually do seem to have autism. And I can't help but feel intense rage at their parents for failing to properly raise their child to navigate the world but instead coddling them into a full grown brat. Oompa loompa doobidy doo.

[–]LyingSpirit472 5 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 0 fun6 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

Even then, as an autistic person, it's more likely the real autistic people will be in the first category- because part of being autistic is being absolutely petrified and riddled with anxiety that you're going to do something wrong. The autistic person will beat themselves up over any slight, real or (in their mind) imagined, and would be so afraid that they're doing something wrong socially being told about it is almost relaxing because at least you KNOW.

The second type are far more likely to be the ones who are faking it for attention.

[–]Alienhunter糞大名 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

I might be a sexist but the second type is usually women in my experience. The legit autistic ones. I can tell usually.

Autistic women usually won't actually come out and tell you they have autism straight up. They'll just whine and complain and cry, then their girl friends will gang up on you for being mean and they are the ones who won't shut up about the autism.

Like girl, you're going around beating this kid over the head saddling them with their disability, coddling them, you're the mean one aren't you? If you fail to tell a blind man there is something in his way are not you responsible for him bumping into it?

[–]Vulptexghost fox girl ^w^ 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

That's not sexist, it's just how they're raised.

[–]Alienhunter糞大名 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

How they are raised is part of it. I think it comes more along with how they are socialized. Female social groups in school seem a lot more, two faced, in their dealings, and I think the autistic girls pick up on it even less than the boys do.

Autistic boys usually just get relentless teased, but most male teasing is done as a kind of, game. It is like you notice someone has a weakness that could work to hurt them (and by extension their tribe) and so you simply play fight them until they learn to fight back well. Why girls see male groups as being very mean to each other, also why the "girl boss types" suck at actually wielding male "pseudo aggressive behavior" because they don't get the pseudo part.

Female social groups seem more focused on being "nice" to people in their group so they can have the person on their side for future social conflicts, a way of maintaining social capital I suppose. Playing on the victim angle as well.

I guess these days they get social credit from having the "autistic friend". Probably because of that idiotic idea from educators that you can somehow force kids to want to play with the other kid rather than dealing with the underlying reason why they don't wanna play together. I don't think you are helping the kid so much as sparing them hard lessons best learned while young and more resilient. I suppose that's the difference between the more male and female aspects towards child rearing. You see a child crying because they dropped their ice cream cone, and you can either coddle them and tell them it's alright and they'll be more ice cream. Or you can laugh at irony of childhood where such issues seem important.

In reality a bit of a balance of both is needed. Most people seem to want to embrace thought free prescriptive methods of child rearing however. Somewhere between "ignore the child" and "always reassure the child" there's got to be a happy medium of, I don't know, not acting like a total cunt towards the child?

[–][deleted] 7 insightful - 1 fun7 insightful - 0 fun8 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

The same thing happened to me on Reddit. I think the worst are people who refer to themselves as "neurodivergent".

[–]handbananasrevenge 5 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 0 fun6 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Oh yeah. It’s basically code for “I am not responsible for my shitty behavior, and the rest of you are the problem”.

[–]Musky༼⁠ ⁠つ⁠ ⁠◕⁠‿⁠◕⁠ ⁠༽⁠つ 🐈 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (4 children)

self-diagnosed themselves

I really hate that self diagnosis a slur. The idea is that we are too incapable of knowing ourselves and must rely on an expert who knows better.

And people aren't always great about it, but neither are the so called experts. The way the 'Diagnostic Service Manual' is laid out, you can have the same set of symptoms for a variety of conditions, but what you emphasize determines your diagnosis. A lot rides on how you explain how you are feeling to your doctor. It is not super scientific.

People who say they are anxious. Oh, they were wrong fuck off you people you weren't really anxious, you haven't been diagnosed.

You think you're depressed? Well you probably aren't clinically depressed but the doctor is just going to medicate you if you were anyways.

You can't pay attention? Well shit, I think amphetamines aren't the answer, but if you notice you have an attention disorder, what's the point of telling a doctor and then waiting to see if he thinks you're lying, because that's what it amounts to.

We just install and preserve these useless figures in our mythos, the cult of the experts.

[–]Vulptexghost fox girl ^w^ 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (2 children)

I think the issue is people who fake it for attention or special treatment. Like how guys self-ID as trans at sports events so they can win the girls competition.

[–]Musky༼⁠ ⁠つ⁠ ⁠◕⁠‿⁠◕⁠ ⁠༽⁠つ 🐈 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

Even with trans identifying men, there's obviously something wrong with them for them to be behaving that way, even if it's just mass psychosis spread over social media. They may not always be right about what their deal is, but issues definitely.

[–]Vulptexghost fox girl ^w^ 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

They're just cheating

[–]Alienhunter糞大名 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

A lot of this isn't so much the science, that as you say is far from certain, the issue with self diagnosis is more psychosomatic conditions and hypochondriacs and the like. If you've ever had to deal with them you'd be very suspicious of anyone who says they are XYZ but always have an excuse for why they haven't seen a doctor.

Totally fine if you go look through the medical literature and think "huh this applies to me better ask a doctor's opinion". But what we see with the self diagnosis is far from "I have these issues I think it might be this condition" and more "I have this condition and that's why I need special treatment from you".

Like a kid in school says they have "ADHD" so they need their phone for the test? Yeah no, doctors note please?

I don't really mind the speculation of "maybe I have this condition" so long as it's not done for social status or special accomodations.

Otherwise. It's like the same shit and the transabled people. You want to use the priority wheelchair line because you feel like you are disabled but are perfectly fine? Yeah no fuck off with that. You wanna park in the handicapped spot without a permit? Nope fuck off with that. You can scream ablism all you want you still are getting the ticket.

[–]Musky༼⁠ ⁠つ⁠ ⁠◕⁠‿⁠◕⁠ ⁠༽⁠つ 🐈 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

I dare. Your autism is no excuse to be an outright cunt. You are an adult. You have to at least make the effort not to act like a social parish, and if me telling you your behavior is problematic makes you cry, good, cry, and stop behaving like a social pariah.

I like they used the excuse, wokism vs wokism. They eat themselves, it's humorous.

and if me telling you your behavior is problematic makes you cry, good, cry, and stop behaving like a social pariah.

Fuck. That. People tell my behavior is problematic all the time. I say em fuck em. What's the point of blandly adhering to social norms to avoid discomfort in others. It sounds so boring and awful.

They shouldn't have to use an autism excuse. Shouldn't be playing into the victim Olympics. But at least they stood up for their unpopular opinion. I admire people who go against the grain. It's easier to go with the flow if you can, some of us feel downright compelled not to, and I don't think it's a mental disability. I think it takes all kinds to make the world go round and wanting an overly homogeneous society would is a mistake.

[–]Alienhunter糞大名 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Social norms like. Taking a bath so you don't smell of cat piss. Wearing clothing that obscures your pubic hair from view. Not interrupting a public speaker in the middle of a talk about education reform to chat about your favorite video game. Etc

Why should these social norms be followed? Good question. Well you can choose not to follow any but it will result in everyone hating you and nobody wanting to be around you.

These people aren't going against the grind because they've decided to. They're doing it because their brains lack the social awareness to even understand why everyone else in the room doesn't want to hear about Sonic the hedgehog when they've decided to attend a scientific conference.

[–]hfxB0oyADon't piss on my head & tell me it's raining. 5 insightful - 3 fun5 insightful - 2 fun6 insightful - 3 fun -  (0 children)

Quick everyone - keep telling him how big and wide he is.

[–]jet199 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Turns out Yabbit is trans.

[–]Chipit 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

I've tried this before, calling out the far left for violating their own rules. Rules they made up and insist on applying.

It never works. They get emotionally upset, and reply the only way they know how: censorship and banning. Their own positions are so weak that if people are allowed to point out the many problems, they would collapse. It reveals what it's really about: their rules are never for themselves to follow. They are for us to follow. Naturally they get to be as ugly and bigoted as they want! Remember when the Jew Sarah Silverman had a "comedy" routine about Sarah Palin being raped by black gangsters?

If for some reason they're not in control of the discussion, the replies are furious, spittle-flecked rants that don't make much sense. Those are the most fun. Whataboutism is also used.

[–][deleted] 3 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

These people are unbearable.

[–]notafed 3 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 2 fun -  (1 child)

Amazing to watch them fight for their position in the victimhood heirarchy.

[–]JasonCarswellSisyphus / Ouroboros 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

/s/Victimhood

[–]xoenix 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

What does he mean by in the closet? Like it's just a regular dude who thinks he's trans? Or is he claiming that they actually haven't clocked him yet?

[–]BluuDegenerate 3 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

Most likely just a regular dude built like a brick house. The "ITS MAAM" type.

[–]Oyveygoyim 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (4 children)

What are "cis women"?

[–]IMissPorn 7 insightful - 2 fun7 insightful - 1 fun8 insightful - 2 fun -  (1 child)

You must be new here if you've never heard that nonsense before. It means real women.

[–]Oyveygoyim 4 insightful - 3 fun4 insightful - 2 fun5 insightful - 3 fun -  (0 children)

Thanks, I figured that's what it was. It's just I don't keep up with all the terms those freaks come up with.

[–]xoenix 3 insightful - 3 fun3 insightful - 2 fun4 insightful - 3 fun -  (0 children)

Where it comes from and why you're allowed to be offended if someone calls you cis.

[–][deleted] 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Real women.