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[–]ClassroomPast6178 16 insightful - 1 fun16 insightful - 0 fun17 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

This is actually a fairly big deal, because it shows institutions are starting to lose their fear of the lgbT lobbyists and listen to opposing viewpoints.

[–]FlyingKangaroo 12 insightful - 1 fun12 insightful - 0 fun13 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

I hope more people will finally realize how transition is actually more akin to self-inflicted tortures (and don’t forget grooming) than helping anyone to deal with psychological issues.

[–]Musky༼⁠ ⁠つ⁠ ⁠◕⁠‿⁠◕⁠ ⁠༽⁠つ 🐈 7 insightful - 1 fun7 insightful - 0 fun8 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

because it shows institutions are starting to lose their fear of the lgbT lobbyists and listen to opposing viewpoints.

I think they're fearing the backlash from the public and even lawmakers, but there's massive amount of money in pandering to ESG / DEI / TRAs. This isn't and never was an organic movement. This is rich billionaires trying to normalize their or their kid's deviance with propagandists and bots online, and useful idiots pick up the cause for free.

It makes sense, what do you get a billionaire who has everything? You try to get people to stop making fun of you for cross dressing and diddling children. Try to destigmatize kink. When they talk about people living their "authentic lives," and being their "true selves," it isn't about Johnny down the street who wishes he was a girl, it's so people like Jennifer Pritzker can stop hiding. They're rich and powerful and more important than us pleebs, must be galling to have to hide in fear of being called out.

The kids are now hearing the detrans stories and wondering if maybe, just maybe, they aren't really meant to be a different gender, and realizing that they couldn't change it anyways. The detransitioners are feeling misled, used. There's a lot of resentment. Slowly you seem to be able to get away with more and more criticism.

[–]Newzok 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Bingo. Much of our public discourse is the work of billionaire interest. I suppose ESG/DEI works to change things, but only for so long. I can't wait to see the dam break.

[–]LtGreenCo 7 insightful - 1 fun7 insightful - 0 fun8 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

[The exhibit] goes on to say: 'Your gender identity is your sense of yourself as male or female, or, for some people neither or both. It may not match your biological sex.'

Your 'sense'? Your sex isn't a 'sense' it's a motherfucking biological reality; it's an immutable characteristic. How did this crap get into a science museum? I'm glad it's being dismantled but the fact that it existed for even a little while is a big L.

[–]ClassroomPast6178 7 insightful - 1 fun7 insightful - 0 fun8 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

How did this crap get into a science museum?

The push to expand the appeal of and inclusion in science has let a lot of people that have no business anywhere near a museum, let alone an internationally renown national museum of science (it is a truly great museum and well worth a visit, been there many times on my own and with my classes).

The Wellcome Trust has decided to close its museum of medicine because of various woke nonsense, and the Royal College of Surgeons has done the same too. Progressives are prosecuting a Maoist purge of our collective history and culture, and largely getting away with it.

[–]Alienhunter糞大名 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

They've long confused the ideas of sex and gender being different. Though the terminology doesn't match that making it impossible to discuss the issue logically unless you spend a ton of time upfront establishing definitions and even then many will have knee jerk negative responses to the discussion and derail it.

There's no good scientific basis for their idea of "gender" it's basically about as based in scientific reality as "french fashion" or "Chinese fashion" or "goth fashion". You can go and point out a "style" similarities between them or differences and what not, but there's no underlying universal fundamental scientific basis for why a fashion sense is what it is. That is merely a social concept. They want to to try to apply that same logic to social perceptions of gender norms and ignore the elephant in the womb. Specifically, women can get pregnant, men can't, and 99% of social differences you see surrounding the separation of the "genders" is entirely due to that fact.

Now granted I believe fully that, people should have the freedom to "express themselves" via words or how they want to dress, so long as they aren't doing anything that is bad for society as a whole. If a man wants to wear women's clothing or a woman wants to wear men's clothing. That should be legal. However that shouldn't be sufficient criteria for access to sex segregated spaces as they segregated because of the aforementioned difference in biological sex not being symmetrical.

Beyond that it's like any form of self identification. You can do it. And you should be free to do it. But me and everyone else in society also needs to be free to disregard your self identification. In a less politically heated context, I've had many people come up to me claiming very loudly that they are some "expert" at some thing, usually I take this as evidence that they are not and merely trying to seek attention, but if I'm not an expert in the thing I can't exactly "win" if I call them out. But rarely they'll stumble into my field of expertise and if they are faking it, it's extremely easy to figure out, though others outside may not be so obvious.

So naturally we all are aware when self proclaimed "investment experts" and the like give you their investment advice, we know that they are doing that in a context of an advertisement, they are doing what's in their best interests, and not necessarily what is in yours. Though truth be told not everyone understands this and is very susceptible to the advertisement, and may even get very angry if you point out key problems with it.

A very similar dynamic exists with the trans issue. It's rather complicated where this is coming from, I personally see it as a mix of general progressive tendencies to seek out marginalized groups, porn addiction, commercial forces in society putting a great deal of importance on outward appearance, but it's also a failure of the conservative tendencies of society to notice the depression and disphoria of teens and properly address why they fell that way, a failure of them to properly address those few edge cases where you do need a legal process to change ones legal sex, and a general unwillingness of society at large to have unpleasant and difficult conversations surrounding such topics until it reaches a point where it can no longer be ignored.

Of course as a museum is essentially, almost by definition a propoganda vehicle for the ruling class, it isn't surprising that the content of the museum matches closely with the current political narrative. If you went into museums in the past you'd see exhibits talking about race in what would be understood now as very unscientific terms. History museums are a very easy place to see the clear differences in how they support the prevailing narrative of the ruling class. Visit the Vietnam war museum in Washington and then visit the war museum in Saigon and they'll naturally take very different approaches towards it.

A lot of this we see now especially with the public waving of the rainbow flags and the state support of LGBTQ acceptance and whatnot is merely the state using it as a propoganda vehicle and way to rile up the population into support of the governments potential entry into a conflict with Russia and China who both take very anti-LGBTQ stances.

In essence of course gay people and trans people are being used as pawns and their best interests aren't being considered. Like any issue that becomes politicized it's rarely about the issue itself or the science behind it, but merely used as a flavor to color the propoganda machine.

You see this popular science ideal recently, lots of good public speakers are the scientific voices of authority, but good solid scientific methodology and papers are almost by necessity dry and boring, and aren't well suited for our short attention spans through television or short internet blurbs. And much like with religion it ends up becoming plays to emotion and feeling. In many ways scientific reverence has become a kind of quasi state religion of a sort. Though like any religion it's subjected to the same forces of corruption and emotional manipulation. Neil Degrasse Tyson and Michio Kaku are two good examples of the face of this kind of movement. Both excellent public speakers but they invoke an emotional response in their listeners that isn't very well conductive to a productive scientific discussion. People without much scientific knowledge but who are interested in science will oftentimes parrot these ideas as mere expert opinions, and the socially skilled will be the ones who get the positions in museums and in politics. Whereas it takes someone with poor social skills and who would rather spend their time doing math that will make the actual scientific theories. I've had more than one discussion with people who get quite mad when you point out how we tend to take for granted certain ideas, like dark matter, as must being true, despite the fact we have 0 direct evidence for it. It might well exist, there is clearly a problem with our models that require something extra that we are missing. But we have no idea what that is. It may simply be the model itself is wrong. Allowing a kind of political orthodoxy in the sciences here forces the institutions into a kind of horse blinder situation then where they'll be focused on one potential while being less clued into other potentials. There is some unfortunate necessity to this system as funding needs to come from somewhere. But just as we'll scoff at some person that is trying to twist scientific observations into a theory that fits literally with the bible, mainstream scientists are also guilty of twisting their models to fit the expectations of their patrons.

[–]hfxB0oyADon't piss on my head & tell me it's raining. 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

We've got to celebrate and amplify these wins whenever they happen.

[–]clownworlddropout 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Good! Let's move on from this fucking nonsense already.