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[–]ClassroomPast6178[S] 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (5 children)

Konstantin Kissin speaking at the Oxford Union in favour of the motion: This house believes woke culture has gone too far.

Eloquent, succinct and, most importantly, done in an entertaining fashion.

[–]ClassroomPast6178[S] 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

And then you have to watch James Lindsay take the opposite stance and speak against the motion in the style of a woke true believer.

[–]Alienhunter糞大名 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

I'm convinced. Truly we must understand that not only is it impossible for woke culture to go too far, but we must always be pursuing the greater social justice for our society. It is only by adopting an anti-normal stance on all the forms of oppression that we can achieve a more equitable society that can then be overthrown for the continuance of the pursuit of equity. The self preservation instinct is one that is brought forth by the racist sexist and capitalistic interests of a severely patriarchal society as the seek only to exploit our own existence for material gain and by denying the self preservation instinct and engaging in the socially disobedience of self immolation can we reach a transcendental luminocity that removes the power of the patriarchy on our lives and gives us an eternally lasting equity.

[–]LyingSpirit472 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (1 child)

But what about the future of those poor trans babies?

[–]Alienhunter糞大名 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Greetings, my friends! We are all interested in the future, for that is where you and I are going to spend the rest of our lives. And remember my friends; future events such as these will affect you in the future. You are interested in the unknown, the mysterious, the unexplainable; that is why you are here. And now for the first time we are bringing to you the full story of what happened on that faithful day. We are giving you all the evidence, based only on the secret testimonies of the miserable souls who survived this terrifying ordeal. The incidents, the places, my friends, we can not keep this a secret any longer; let us punish the guilty, let us reward the innocent. My friends, can your heart stand the shocking facts about the grave robbers from outer space?

[–]Alienhunter糞大名 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Well done very smart. Humans will always act in their own self interest. To attempt to make them act otherwise is essentially to make them subservient to some higher power that can force consequences which are more immediate than the self interests they are made to work against.

Naturally this could be described as what is truly the opposite of what "woke" ostensibly hopes to achieve.

It's truly an ideological difference in the emotional vs intellectual argument. Idealism vs practicality. The idealists tend to move based merely on the emotional argument without consideration for the practical consequences of satisfying their emotional urges in the short term. Climate change is truly an excellent example of that as the constant tendency to impose whatever ostensibly green laws seem conveniently doable to show the self flagellation and salvation through suffering they give little concern to the long term practicality of such measures nor their imminent negative effects that cause opposition to future change to become even stronger to the point it stalls any sort of long term movement.

COVID response was very similar. You see it around the world. The desire of immediate emotional action to stop the spread overpowering all in a mad panic when the economic and practical considerations of long term supply chains and mental health decline across long swaths of the population for essentially being placed on indefinite house arrest were totally overlooked over the fear that grandma might get sick and die.