Transmaxxing: the Incel-To-Transwoman Pipeline

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[–]LtGreenCo 7 insightful - 2 fun7 insightful - 1 fun8 insightful - 2 fun -  (8 children)

If you're so stupid as to think that transitioning won't make you repulsive and will get you laid then maybe it's better off you just stay out of the gene pool anyway.

[–]ClassroomPast6178 6 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 0 fun7 insightful - 1 fun -  (7 children)

I think the problem with your argument is, these men have already been effectively removed from the gene pool for the fact that they’re dateless ogres no one actually cares about, “transitioning” does nothing in that regards, but it does give them social clout and stops them being the bottom of the victim hierarchy and in that sense it is a smart move in a world where victimhood has become social credit and being male has none (despite the high levels of suicide, unemployment, lack of qualifications, poorer outcomes in education, higher risk of being the victim of violent crime etc etc).

A bit of compassion towards these young men, maybe looking into issues such as educational underperformance, suicide etc might just alleviate the conditions from which these horrorshows come. But, no one cares….let’s just run yet another drive for more women in STEM (or as I saw the other night more female sailors in the RN). It’s cliche now but any boffin in a film will almost certainly be a woman, and I will put money on the next Q being a woman.

As the lead teacher for Computing at my last school I was inundated with offers for clubs, prizes, trips, exhibitions, courses, software, stipends, freebies, aimed at girls in computing. I never got one single offer for boys, not one, despite white working class boys being the lowest educational achievers in the country.

The past forty years of ignoring boys’ needs in schools and demonising masculinity is paying off it seems. You see it when you go into primary schools as a male teacher, the boys are actually excited to see you as they have very likely never had a male teacher.

So yes, Incels are a problem and their philosophy is sick, but society created it by making sure that the boys were ignored even when they were in desperate need of help.

[–]LyingSpirit472 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (6 children)

While you're right about all the things you said about problems with men, the big problem with this problem is that...well, the people going to the need for "transmaxxing" and allegedly fighting for men's rights secretly don't care all that much about men's rights. This was shown over the weekend by how shocking that the guy in Ecuador who self-ID'd as a trans woman solely because 'becoming a mother' was the only chance he'd have of getting custody of his children, shows the difference between the people transitioning for genuine men's issues and to break through the profound unfairness of society for a man.

These men going to this point, on the other hand, do not give a shit about all of that. Men like this might be one of the biggest enemies to actual men's rights in society because the only "men's right" they care about is the claimed right for them to be entitled to a beautiful woman sitting on their penis. It's an enemy of men's rights, and even an enemy of trans rights since enough of these shitstains not only did transmaxx, but the trans rights discourse said "yes, you are absolutely entitled to get sex with lesbians" giving these bastards their way...which is the whole problem.

The real issue is that not only is u/LtGreenCo right for "they transition because they're told it will make you not repulsive and will get you laid", indeed, trans discourse has said "even if you are still completely repulsive and only become MORE repulsive by transitioning...we'll make it our personal mission to get you laid if you join us".

[–]wylanderuk 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (5 children)

Hmm I watched a youtube vid about this and if its accurate there is fair amount of "people are generally nicer to me as trans woman than a man" which ties in nicely to the already out there "being a trans man is not as easy and good as I thought it was", being a man is lonely compared to being a woman".

This might actually help spike both feminists and TRAs talking points...Which would be glorious IMHO.

[–]LyingSpirit472 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (4 children)

Of course. And that's the big issue as well. There's definitely better treatment for women than men in society, but the fact these are incels talking about transmaxxing is the telling point they don't care about all of those issues men face. All they care about is someone getting their pee pee wet, and they don't care if they have to claim it's a she-pee in order to do it.

[–]wylanderuk 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

I don't think its one or the other, but a combo of both.

[–]LyingSpirit472 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

I'd WANT to believe it's a combo of both, but incels are the ones who ruined men's rights because they make it clear they're a single-issue bloc: "And why can't I have sex with anyone I want to have sex with? We should be able to FORCE people to find me attractive so I can have sex with anyone I want!"

Snarts are the only one to hear that and say "You're right. Become trans and we vow we will get you laid"- hell, even the big MRA boogeymen like Andrew Tate/Jordan Peterson/etc. can and have told the incels "Hit the gym, clean your room, learn to love yourself, try to be a man worth someone else's time, and stop whining about how you can't get laid" when those people try their whining.

[–]wylanderuk 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

Nah incels are a attack vector against MRAs, just like MGTOWs are and PUAs used to be.

I mean technically I am a MGTOW (long before I ever heard of it), but its not a political stance or ideological stance for me. Basically my picker is broken and I don't find juice is worth the squeeze.

[–]LyingSpirit472 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Nah incels are a attack vector against MRAs, just like MGTOWs are and PUAs used to be.

But the difference is that with MGTOWs, their driving motivation ("the game is rigged against men, so I choose not to play") compliments the true MRAs want ("the game is rigged against men, we would like these specific things worked on to make the game no longer rigged against men anymore and then we'll be happy.") By contrast, PUAs and incels' driving motivation is "I want to have sex, and I really don't care what I have to do in order to make that happen", which has nothing to do with men's rights and only perverts the ultimate goal of "leave the game less rigged against men."