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[–]RedEyedWarriorThe Evil Cishomo 9 insightful - 1 fun9 insightful - 0 fun10 insightful - 1 fun -  (13 children)

Troons need the gay rights movement in order to keep up their delusions. It harms their narratives for homosexuals and bisexuals to be publicly against the troons.

[–]Newzok 9 insightful - 2 fun9 insightful - 1 fun10 insightful - 2 fun -  (12 children)

Yeah I guess that's it. I've said it before too; without the gay rights movement they have nothing. But they are certainly not us either. I'm not against them at all; do what you want, but it is very much a social trend and they have little to do with gay stuff.

[–]tiny-brown-mug 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (11 children)

Thing is, though... and feel free to speak out if you feel this is not the case, but there does seem to be some over lap. Butch, gay women deciding that they are FTM. Effeminate gay men deciding that they are MTF. Leslie Feinberg kind of started all this, and she varied in her self-identity. Sometimes she was FTM and "zie", other times she was a woman and gay. It just... does seem to me as though there is some overlap here.

I do generally feel that if these people were not given the option to identify as such, they would still just be living as women or as men, minus the surgery and hormones and crud.

[–]RedEyedWarriorThe Evil Cishomo 5 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 0 fun6 insightful - 1 fun -  (10 children)

A lot of gay people become transgender out of internalised homophobia.

[–]tiny-brown-mug 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (9 children)

Maybe, but a lot of these folks are within really gay-positive, affirming cities or contexts. Homosexuality isn't just tolerated, it's celebrated. Or are therapists just convincing gay people that they're actually trans? How is this working?

[–]RedEyedWarriorThe Evil Cishomo 5 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 0 fun6 insightful - 1 fun -  (8 children)

I suppose some gay people think that transitioning would increase their chances of getting a boyfriend. I encountered a homosexual transsexual on Reddit who bragged about how much better straight men are than gay men. I told him that straight men don’t want to date transwomen at all, and that all he has left are bisexual men and closeted gay men. He did not respond.

There are also some gay men who are so feminine, they think they might as well be women. To be fair to them, a lot of gay men do not want to date feminine men - most of us are attracted to masculinity. Myself included. But a lot of other gay men are interested in feminine men, and some of these men actually prefer or only want feminine men. But even then, most gay men have a limit on how feminine their boyfriends can be.

[–]pacmanla 5 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 0 fun6 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

As a heterosexual male, I've never understood why HSTS believed they actually were getting with "straight" men. It's clear as day, that they're getting with bisexual men or closeted gay guys into feminine males. I guess it's a coping mechanism? Sad that they have to lie to themselves like that.

[–]RedEyedWarriorThe Evil Cishomo 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Some HSTSs think they’re so convincing. To be fair, it’s easy to do that on camera with the right angles, the right editing software, and the right makeup. But they do not stand a chance with heterosexual men. If a trans “woman” has a boyfriend who calls himself “straight”, chances are he’s bisexual but hasn’t come out because he doesn’t want to get told to “pick a side”. Not to mention that a lot of HSTSs won’t date bisexual men. Or perhaps the man in question finds boobs a must, doesn’t care if they come with a dick, and just don’t want to date men without boobs.

[–]tiny-brown-mug 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (5 children)

That could play a role, I'm just wondering.... If you're a gay man in an environment where gay male culture and homosexuality in general is not just accepted but is borderline venerated and is publicly celebrated... where are guys getting this idea that because they're effeminate, they're women? Don't they have enough examples of gay personality or presentations around them to understand that being a more feminine gay man is an option? I mean.... I don't remember this being a thing 20 years ago.

Are therapists targeting these people and just telling them that they're trans? Your point about some feminine gay men being so feminine that they're not comfortable being men is important, and I do think some FTM women fall into this category, but still... I don't remember feminine gay men trying to turn their penis inside out a generation ago, so something clearly changed.

[–]RedEyedWarriorThe Evil Cishomo 5 insightful - 2 fun5 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 2 fun -  (3 children)

Must be the therapists then.

[–]tiny-brown-mug 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

It has to be. If no one knew that "being trans" was an option, how much of this would we actually be seeing? Which really leads me to think this whole thing is a social construct. It's word salad that begins to "feel real" to people because the brain, body, and emotions are deeply connected. The fact that people de-transition, though, shows that this is not an innately physical issue, but a psychological one.

[–]Vulptexghost fox girl ^w^ 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

I figured it out on my own after a nightmarish episode of envy. Everyone was better than me, and I was losing all my talents and even my motivation; something which I now suspect could be from prodromal schizophrenia, but no matter because I'm stuck with it. Anyway along came this person who has to be either my spiritual twin or a phenomenal actor hired to imitate my personality, except basically savant level at everything (compared to me at least) after practically no experience. Literally a perfect version of me. I was enraged with the universe (and have not gotten over it to this day). Anyway this person literally had the same mind as me, except without the infinity failures and troubles mine is ravaged with. And there was even a strong sense that this was who I'm supposed to be, it was to that extent. And it couldn't have happened at a worse time (a coincidence, I'm sure; I'm looking at you scriptwriters). Eventually I found out that person is female as well. Now I have wanted the other body type my entire life, but I had been trying to ignore it until then. And I was confused by sexist assumptions, so I assumed it went hand in hand with the "social construct" (and indeed the trans movement actually held my "egg" together because of its bullshit logic and conflations and misunderstandings). But when I saw before my own eyes that literally me can be the opposite sex with no other consequences, it both shattered that denial and broke the last straw for that subject. I couldn't suppress it anymore.

Afterward I realized that might explain my continued dislike of every single thing that happened to me during puberty, after everyone else my age had embraced some of it. There are a ton of male characteristics that hinder me, and some of the female ones I would actually like. Some like a normal person, not all like a rigid fetishist who actually wants to suffer periods and wants to "play" with his breasts. Apparently that second one is what every single guy says when asked what they'd do as a woman. I have never had that thought, I would say I'd feel a bit better. There's a lot of features about myself especially post-puberty that I dislike or even find "odd". It turns out that for almost all of them what I was expecting was the female version. At no point did this involve my interests or mannerisms; there are mental traits, like natural abilities and thought pathways, but they all work against me and have been since puberty. It might even help explain why I never really grew up like everyone else. Everyone else acts like a totally different person, and I'm almost exactly the same as I was when I was born. Maybe because I'm not made for the kind of maturity I developed.

My sexuality is broken too. I am attracted to kinky situations, not people. A person can enrich it, but I am never attracted to them outside of that. Their gender does not seem to matter.

I hate people who think gender is a social construct bragging about being trans, because they're stereotypically unlike their gender. No one who knows what this really is would wish it on anyone. I hate big pharma falsely diagnosing people with gender dysphoria, including children, merely due to the slightest sign of gender non-conformity, because it makes them money. I hate how it's been co-opted by the woke mob and turned into literal 1950s-style sexism. They make everyone hate us and we look ridiculous, especially in this era when people jump to conclusions based on the first thing they see or hear, and cannot be reasoned with. And they use it as a recruiting scheme to make unsuspecting people vote for 1984, and to groom people, including kids, and cheat at sports, and to have a victim card. They're the main reason I didn't look into transition, because I can't put up with that crowd, nor do I want to be essentially making a statement that I support them, and they also make everyone think I'm the spawn of Satan because of how they act. I don't blame people for thinking so, indeed I did and still do, only now understanding important distinctions the media is trying to erase. And I don't like "awareness" and "pride", because it reminds me of something I wish to rid myself of forever. I will never be satisfied with transition. No, the problem isn't "transphobia", it's me. If I were stranded alone I'd still suffer. Changing my pronouns will not make me align with my body, nor can any treatments go far enough. In fact it's likely to result in a botched mess that's even worse than now. Other people not "misgendering" me will not help. There's no cure that wouldn't also result in my funeral.

This is only one of the torments I have to deal with every single day, and I'm sure it doesn't even compare to 99% of people outside of the developed world. Which for me is more than enough proof that the whole foundation of the world is evil. All the gnostic thought is unpopular because it's pessimistic, but it makes perfect sense. And science shows that "pessimistic" people are really just realists, and "optimists" are massive copers. We now know (and people don't like) that our own world exhibits obvious signs of a computer-generated reality. The only logical explanation for the speed of light is an arbitrary speed cap. Tiny particles exhibit floating-point precision errors. Data is confirming "supernatural" occurences like synchronicity, astral projection, reincarnation, and NDEs, and in a way that's a perfect match for the gnostic idea of the world. This is why almost every movie has the "don't go into the light" joke, because they know it's a trap. But all the propaganda aimed at us plebs is "go straight into the light". And it resolves like 95% of the theological problems Christianity has. I'm almost certainly Neo/Truman, which explains why the synchroncities and "spirit breaking" is at such high levels for me, and why every aspect of my life seems controlled and closely monitored. Neo especially fits my profile almost exactly, and there's even a prophetic hint at this in the movie (Unfortunately I can't reveal it without potentially endangering myself). This matrix stuff isn't bullshit, reputable researchers and even the CIA study it. The current mantra of irreligion is only possible by taking "correlation != causation" so far that everything is a total coincidence, even when there's an undeniable pattern. And people are so brainwashed that they shoot lasers out of their eyes if you question this narrative. Yes, even normally calm and accepting people. The agents take over to eliminate threats to the system. For this reason people call me crazy, yet all my "tinfoil hat theories" like the cabals on reddit and ruqqus tend to turn out true.

[–]Vulptexghost fox girl ^w^ 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Before the trans movement trans people had discomfort with their actual biology. It wasn't based on sexist stereotypes. It follows that there was no such thing as xenogenders and the "non binary" rate was far lower. The condition itself was actually rare, and mostly unheard of, and it worked best that way. Most certainly bringing "awareness" in a horribly foolish manner is responsible for all the hating on them in recent years.