AHS (Subreddit which focuses entirely on brigading other subs) posting bait posts on AskGayBros sub trying to find content to report and brigade.

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[–]Newzok 11 insightful - 2 fun11 insightful - 1 fun12 insightful - 2 fun -  (17 children)

Called it! Though for what reason would they do this? The guy was trolling for it and met every comment with bad faith.

Is AHS associated with reddit admins? 'cause I think they'd love every gay related sub to be trans central.

[–]RedEyedWarriorThe Evil Cishomo 9 insightful - 1 fun9 insightful - 0 fun10 insightful - 1 fun -  (16 children)

Troons need the gay rights movement in order to keep up their delusions. It harms their narratives for homosexuals and bisexuals to be publicly against the troons.

[–]Newzok 9 insightful - 2 fun9 insightful - 1 fun10 insightful - 2 fun -  (15 children)

Yeah I guess that's it. I've said it before too; without the gay rights movement they have nothing. But they are certainly not us either. I'm not against them at all; do what you want, but it is very much a social trend and they have little to do with gay stuff.

[–]tiny-brown-mug 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (14 children)

Thing is, though... and feel free to speak out if you feel this is not the case, but there does seem to be some over lap. Butch, gay women deciding that they are FTM. Effeminate gay men deciding that they are MTF. Leslie Feinberg kind of started all this, and she varied in her self-identity. Sometimes she was FTM and "zie", other times she was a woman and gay. It just... does seem to me as though there is some overlap here.

I do generally feel that if these people were not given the option to identify as such, they would still just be living as women or as men, minus the surgery and hormones and crud.

[–]RedEyedWarriorThe Evil Cishomo 5 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 0 fun6 insightful - 1 fun -  (10 children)

A lot of gay people become transgender out of internalised homophobia.

[–]tiny-brown-mug 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (9 children)

Maybe, but a lot of these folks are within really gay-positive, affirming cities or contexts. Homosexuality isn't just tolerated, it's celebrated. Or are therapists just convincing gay people that they're actually trans? How is this working?

[–]RedEyedWarriorThe Evil Cishomo 5 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 0 fun6 insightful - 1 fun -  (8 children)

I suppose some gay people think that transitioning would increase their chances of getting a boyfriend. I encountered a homosexual transsexual on Reddit who bragged about how much better straight men are than gay men. I told him that straight men don’t want to date transwomen at all, and that all he has left are bisexual men and closeted gay men. He did not respond.

There are also some gay men who are so feminine, they think they might as well be women. To be fair to them, a lot of gay men do not want to date feminine men - most of us are attracted to masculinity. Myself included. But a lot of other gay men are interested in feminine men, and some of these men actually prefer or only want feminine men. But even then, most gay men have a limit on how feminine their boyfriends can be.

[–]pacmanla 5 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 0 fun6 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

As a heterosexual male, I've never understood why HSTS believed they actually were getting with "straight" men. It's clear as day, that they're getting with bisexual men or closeted gay guys into feminine males. I guess it's a coping mechanism? Sad that they have to lie to themselves like that.

[–]RedEyedWarriorThe Evil Cishomo 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Some HSTSs think they’re so convincing. To be fair, it’s easy to do that on camera with the right angles, the right editing software, and the right makeup. But they do not stand a chance with heterosexual men. If a trans “woman” has a boyfriend who calls himself “straight”, chances are he’s bisexual but hasn’t come out because he doesn’t want to get told to “pick a side”. Not to mention that a lot of HSTSs won’t date bisexual men. Or perhaps the man in question finds boobs a must, doesn’t care if they come with a dick, and just don’t want to date men without boobs.

[–]tiny-brown-mug 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (5 children)

That could play a role, I'm just wondering.... If you're a gay man in an environment where gay male culture and homosexuality in general is not just accepted but is borderline venerated and is publicly celebrated... where are guys getting this idea that because they're effeminate, they're women? Don't they have enough examples of gay personality or presentations around them to understand that being a more feminine gay man is an option? I mean.... I don't remember this being a thing 20 years ago.

Are therapists targeting these people and just telling them that they're trans? Your point about some feminine gay men being so feminine that they're not comfortable being men is important, and I do think some FTM women fall into this category, but still... I don't remember feminine gay men trying to turn their penis inside out a generation ago, so something clearly changed.

[–]RedEyedWarriorThe Evil Cishomo 5 insightful - 2 fun5 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 2 fun -  (3 children)

Must be the therapists then.

[–]tiny-brown-mug 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

It has to be. If no one knew that "being trans" was an option, how much of this would we actually be seeing? Which really leads me to think this whole thing is a social construct. It's word salad that begins to "feel real" to people because the brain, body, and emotions are deeply connected. The fact that people de-transition, though, shows that this is not an innately physical issue, but a psychological one.

[–]Vulptexghost fox girl ^w^ 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Before the trans movement trans people had discomfort with their actual biology. It wasn't based on sexist stereotypes. It follows that there was no such thing as xenogenders and the "non binary" rate was far lower. The condition itself was actually rare, and mostly unheard of, and it worked best that way. Most certainly bringing "awareness" in a horribly foolish manner is responsible for all the hating on them in recent years.

[–]Newzok 4 insightful - 2 fun4 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 2 fun -  (2 children)

Yeah I agree, largely. Historically there's been some overlap, but still fringy even then. Which is OK. It's just the last decade where it's gone off the rails a bit, with entitlement that is unearned. The trend will turn, I have no doubt: let us not lose our communities over it.

[–]Wanderingthehalls 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

Historically most trans people were homosexual with internalised homophobia. But that was when transexual and transvestite were understood to be two very different things. We all knew that transvestites were straight men who got turned on by wearing women's clothes and nobody celebrated that. It was creating the transgender identity that incapsulated both of those groups that has led to all the crazy shit that's happening. Because, for one, there are more transvestites than transexuals. And, while for the most part transexuals just want to be allowed to live their lives, transvestites are fetishists for the vast majority of humans, when we indulge fetishes, they aren't sated, they grow. And society isn't currently just validating this fetish, it's celebrating the people who indulge in it, for indulging and it's creating a monster.

[–]Newzok 3 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

Yeah the gender term is genius. Suddenly you get confusion around both. Eddie Izzard, transgender? Nah he's a transvestite, though he claims otherwise now. I guess transvestites are often the ones referred to as AGP, right?

I've noticed the weird tendency to create a persona that then takes over more and more. Referring to it with a name; "and then I become Jessica" etc. We should get back to the old ways. Gender is too vague to be meaningful. You rarely hear of the female equivalent, I reckon it's because women do this for other reasons(anecdotal, but my token ftm trans friend seems to want to escape the 'toxic' male gaze and being perceived as female, but not much mention of male interests, nor sex. Also reads yaoi.). Despite my skepticism I'm sympathetic, as it probably sucks, and I'm cough morbidly curious to see the trajectory.