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[–]ClassroomPast6178[S] 6 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 0 fun7 insightful - 1 fun -  (6 children)

For those unsure, the woman grabbed the fake penis that the transman was wearing to pretend. For doing that they were charged with sexual assault and found guilty.

An 'extremely' drunk woman who grabbed a transgender man's genitals and asked him 'Are you male of female?' has been ordered to pay him £300 compensation after she was convicted of sexual assault.

Karen Waldron, 53, of Matson Avenue, Gloucester, asked the man if he was 'sure' before grabbing his genitals and 'squeezing' them on a Yates bar dancefloor 'to establish that he was a male', a court heard.

But she insisted she just was 'looking out' for a vulnerable friend who had 'taken a shine' to the transgender man, 24, who was out with a friend when before the assault in the early hours of Sunday, February 6 this year in Cheltenham.

Waldron pleaded not guilty to sexually touching the man but was convicted by magistrates at Cirencester, Gloucestershire.

Waldron approached and asked him 'Are you male or female?', the court heard.

Prosecutor Graham Dono said the victim responded: 'I am male.'

But the court heard Waldron persisted and asked him: 'Are you sure?'

The victim, who found the questioning insulting, then told her: 'It's none of your business.'

The prosecutor added: 'Waldron then placed her hand between his legs, grabbed his genitals and squeezed, no doubt to try to establish that he was a male.

'He responded by asking the woman what was she doing and told her that it was not appropriate. He pushed Waldron's hand away after some 30 seconds.

'Waldron responded "I don't care", after which the man reported the incident to the venue's staff.

'A member of the door staff team asked Waldron if she had groped the man's genitals to which she replied "yes".'

Waldron was arrested by police at 1.20am and told officers the touching was not sexual it was 'more of glance with the back of her hand that only lasted a second or two.'

Mr Dono said the Crown's case was that Waldron's actions were clearly deliberate and were in the area of the genitals which meant it was sexual.

He added: 'Waldron was extremely intoxicated and this was a drunken and gratuitous touching of the man's genitals.'

The transgender man told the court that he had begun transitioning since 2016 and had been wearing a genital packer inside his boxer shorts.

He explained that he had been on the dance floor with a female family friend and that he had shared a kiss together with the woman.

Presiding magistrate Susan Bruckel told Waldron that the magistrates had found her guilty of the offence and said: 'We've listened to all the evidence and whatever the motivation, or whatever the circumstances, touching somebody in their genital area is deemed a sexual assault.

'You've admitted touching the man in his genital area to determine his gender. You also admitted that this was a deliberate act. We also note that your actions were driven by the fact that you felt you needed to protect a vulnerable friend.

'The man's evidence was slightly inconsistent but it is obvious he was affected by the incident and was angry and uncomfortable. And in his words "She shouldn't have done it anyway".

'We feel that the incident lasted only a second or two and not the 30 seconds as suggested by the prosecution. However, regardless of your mitigation we find you guilty of sexual assault.'

Mr Shervington said: 'This was not a hate crime, as she would have been charged with that offence if it was. Waldron has been contrite from the outset.

'The evidence is that this is a sexual assault at its lowest level. It was not planned or prolonged. It was a clumsy attempt by Waldron to make sure her vulnerable friend was safe.'

The magistrates fined Waldron £150. They also ordered her to pay court costs of £149, compensation to the victim of £300 and a surcharge of £1.

The magistrates told Waldron that because of the low level of sentence there was no requirement for her to sign the sex offenders register.

[–]wylanderuk 7 insightful - 1 fun7 insightful - 0 fun8 insightful - 1 fun -  (5 children)

Maybe she got charged for sexual assault because that is what she fucking well did and then she fucking lied about what she did to the police.

So you giving her a pass because she grabbed a trans person or because of some power plus prejudice feminist shite means women can't commit sexual assault?

Was the transman a twat? Yes, but so was she.

[–]ClassroomPast6178[S] 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

The light sentence was actually one of the things I thought was wrong with the story. Just like the sentencing of Anne Sacoolas today, where the judge mitigated because the defendant was a woman with children. Not only was she allowed to plead to a lesser offence, but she was given the bare minimum sentence and it was suspended.

[–]wylanderuk 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Ah I thought you were approaching it from another direction.

[–]Alienhunter糞大名 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

"We've listened to all the evidence and whatever the motivation, or whatever the circumstances, touching somebody in their genital area is deemed a sexual assault."

Now to be fair, the case in question here is unquestionably qualifies as such. But touching whatever the circumstances qualifies? Bullshit.

I've been groped like that before and it wasn't sexual assault. Non-consensual? Perhaps. Someone has to make the first move though.

Circumstances absolutely do fucking matter. We want fucking "Do I have your written consent to touch your genitals" bullshit?

[–]wylanderuk 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

Frankly they need to have varying degrees of sexual assault in law as it covers too wide of a range of actions.

[–]ClassroomPast6178[S] 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Every time any one has suggested separating murder, sexual assault and rape offences into bands/degrees they get shouted down without debate. The discussion of rape and sexual assault in particular has been thoroughly poisoned.

But at least the Tories are planning on sentencing Wolf whistlers to 2 years in custody.