Disney's first film with LGBTQ+ lead bombs at box office – and fans have thoughts (gay fans accuse Disney of purposely trying to sabotage the movie through lack or marketing to justify lack of gay representation in future movies)

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[–]ClassroomPast6178 17 insightful - 1 fun17 insightful - 0 fun18 insightful - 1 fun -  (10 children)

Disney did kill the marketing because they knew that it was going to bomb from what happened with Lightyear. Marketing these films can double the budget, and they were already looking at losing $100m+ on it, so apparently they decided to let it bomb rather than lose even more money.

Doesn’t help that the film itself is an absolute mess, it’s preachy, it lacks a decent story and characters. It was almost certainly made by committee, with a checklist (gay character, mixed race character, inter-racial relationship, etc).

Disney needs to learn some harsh lessons from this, but I doubt they will.

[–]Alienhunter糞大名[S] 9 insightful - 3 fun9 insightful - 2 fun10 insightful - 3 fun -  (9 children)

I've yet to see it and I won't bother probably until it's on streaming and I'm really bored. Seemed utterly bland and disinteresting from the trailer.

Definitely makes sense not to market a movie they think is gonna do terrible. The gay conspiracy theorists are doing the whole "Disney is purposely trying to make the gay movie fail" thing so they can pretend to themselves that anything with rainbows is automatically good and =$$$$ probably so they can keep the grift going a bit longer before people realize they have nothing to offer the writing departments besides "what if X character was gay, a lemur, a retarded bisexual wheelchair" line of immature ADHD riddled brainstorming rather than actually making coherent well thought out scripts.

Of course if there was some shadowy gay bashing cabal of homophobic executives they'd just nix the gay outright rather than jump through the expensive hoops of actually spending millions of dollars to make the movie then purposely have it fail to pull a "see gay movies don't make money". Rather than just, use normal focus group shit.

Ask a bunch of San Francisco 30 something tweenny boppers if they want more rainbows and bisexual interracial wheelchairs and they'll sat golly gee yes sirree, and go pirate the movie anyway.

Ask a bunch of hardline conservative christian types what they want and they'll consistently just add Jesus to every movie.

There's money to be made by targeting both groups but not with these crappy multimillion dollar Hollywood spectacles since they need to be as mass market as possible, which is why you've got the stupid checklists of mandatory diversity.

[–]ClassroomPast6178 8 insightful - 3 fun8 insightful - 2 fun9 insightful - 3 fun -  (8 children)

Hollywood has massively misjudged what matters to the majority of their customers, and we are seeing it with the massive flops of Bros, She Said, Lightyear, Don’t Worry Darling, Amsterdam. Even Marvel films and TV series are flopping, Black Panther 2:Wakandan Boogaloo, is struggling to break even. Avatar 2 is set to be the biggest flop in history, needing $2b to just break even. Star Wars is a dead IP, Star Trek is dead, Lord of the Rings, although not Disney is potentially suffering the same fate, could be too if the animated Rohirrim film flops next year and Indiana Jones is looking to be that way ahead of Indy 5 next year. James Bond is looking very much like the producers want to diversify him, and lose everything that made him enjoyable. It’s hard to understand how this has all happened other than by the toxic effects of social media and the critical social justice cult.

Hollywood is in big trouble and it was them that killed the golden goose in service to their current year ideology.

The other disaster for Hollywood has been JJ Abrams and his coterie of directors, writers and producers. He talked up his “mystery box” style of writing and now it is being used everywhere, the trouble is that it’s not a tactic that works with existing IPs. Combine JJ Abrams with ideologically-driven productions and you explain the disastrous Star Wars sequels and series, the destruction of Star Trek both in theatres and TV and the shite that was Rings of Power (the show runners, never having had a producer credit before, got given the gig for the most expensive TV show in history on Abrams recommendation and they wrote it in Abrams style).

[–]Musky༼⁠ ⁠つ⁠ ⁠◕⁠‿⁠◕⁠ ⁠༽⁠つ 🐈 3 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 2 fun -  (7 children)

Star Trek is dead

We have never had so many Trek shows ongoing at once: Picard, Strange New Worlds, Discovery, Prodigy, and Lower Decks. Prodigy is with Wesley Crusher so... We'll see how that is, and Discovery is kind of a steaming ball of shit, but the others are decent.

destruction of Star Trek both in theatres

The Trek movies have always kind of sucked, some more than others, but the best movie was Wrath of Khan.

[–]ClassroomPast6178 6 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 0 fun7 insightful - 1 fun -  (6 children)

Picard is an abomination that humiliated Picard, destroyed the canon of TNG and didn’t even tell a decent story.

What is coming out about these shows is that the production teams actively dislike the source material/originals. The production team on The Witcher used to make fun of the books and games, and that’s ultimately why Henry Caville quit.

The sad fact about Star Trek is that Seth MacFarlane, a massive ST:TNG fan, put a bid in to buy the rights to make a new raft of ST shows in the same canon as TNG, and they refused him - which led him to make The Orville, which is brilliant. ST under him would have been amazing.

[–]Alienhunter糞大名[S] 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (4 children)

God it's a crazy world where Seth MacFarlands goofy Trek ends up being way better than anything since Voyager.

Picard was.so horrible anyone connected to that project really deserves to never work in entertainment again.

[–]ClassroomPast6178 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

It’s a crying shame that MacFarlane Trek didn’t happen. Everyone in the writer’s room when they decided that Picard should be berated by an admiral, using the F-bomb, and that there should be Romulan warrior nuns, a Romulan Legolas, extra-dimensional machine gods, body horror torture porn and android slaves on Mars should be taken outside and beaten with mallets. Seriously, they demonstrated a complete lack of understanding of the world with that shit.

[–]bopomofodojo 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

Lower Decks is on par with the Orville for sheer hilarity (Mike McMahon is a good steward), and SNW is just great. Prodigy is a kids show. Disco is meh (each season is better than the last, but given how bad 1 was, that's hard to recover from), and Picard was a travesty. It's really hit-and-miss right now (kinda like 90's trek...).

[–]Alienhunter糞大名[S] 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

90's trek had bad episodes but didn't really do the all in serialized shit. Lower decks is alright I enjoyed it. Strange New World's haven't seen it yet. Eventually will. Probably when season 2 comes out.

[–]bopomofodojo 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Yea that's a big aspect. Old-school (pre-rebirth) Trek was entirely episodic except for the experiments in DS9 and Enterprise. Both of which, it's quite easy to forget in hindsight, were badly received at the time but are now (at least, for DS9), looked upon as some of the best parts of the franchise. The downside of super-serialized TV is that if it sucks, it all sucks, there's no "good episodes" buried in it. Which is the fatal flaw of Discovery and Picard.

Thankfully you might be happy to know that SNW is entirely episodic; you don't need to watch them in order, and each episode is entirely self-contained. Definitely check it out of you like old-school Trek storytelling style. The last episode is especially amazing if you are a fan of TOS Balance of Terror, but I won't say more than that.

[–]Musky༼⁠ ⁠つ⁠ ⁠◕⁠‿⁠◕⁠ ⁠༽⁠つ 🐈 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

Picard is an abomination that humiliated Picard, destroyed the canon of TNG and didn’t even tell a decent story.

Picard hugged Q though! I don't care about TNG canon, personally, the show is dated by the 90s ideology. Remember when Riker fucked a tranny? I like the Kelvin timeline too, it's less sleepy.

Henry Caville quit

I had no idea he quit. That show I suspect is another Walking Dead, it had an epic first season I don't expect to be repeated, although it'll probably go on for years.