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[–]jet199 7 insightful - 2 fun7 insightful - 1 fun8 insightful - 2 fun -  (3 children)

I think you need to look at why trans got lumped in with LGB to start with.

It's not because most trans used to be gay, AGP has always been more common than HSTS in the West. Even most drag queens used to be straight men. It's not because same sex attraction has anything to do with changing gender, otherwise moves would have been made to get other gender non-conforming groups into the alphabet like nerds or tomboys.

It's because firstly, they are all groups defined by how they want to have sex which is why kink is now also completely entwined with Pride, queerness and gay rights activists. Secondly It's because rates of personality disorders are very high in all the alphabet groups but just trans. These are people who think in a minority way who can go into a crowd of mixed gay and trans people and find they are suddenly the norm. There are a whole lot of young gay people with NPD and BPD who are never going to kick out the trans and become a personality minority in their community. If course those damaged people will tear whatever community they are in apart, that's just what cluster Bs do.

[–]JerzyZulawski 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

"It's not because most trans used to be gay, AGP has always been more common than HSTS in the West"

I'm not so sure about that, at least in regards to the UK - I watched a 1970s BBC documentary on transsexuals and all of the transwomen in it were attracted to men or in relationships with men. Even in the 1990s and 2000s most of the trans celebrities I can think of were HSTS. And I'm not sure about "most drag queens used to be straight men" - certainly guys like Danny LaRue and Stanley Baxter were assumed to be straight at the time but have come out later in life, they were just in the closet.

[–]jet199 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (1 child)

Most AGP don't want surgery so that's why they don't show up in that documentary.

You are confusing transexual and trans gender.

[–]JerzyZulawski 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

A lot of AGPs do have surgery though, specifically the ones with anatomical autogynephilia