Should a better question to"What's a woman?"be"What's a female brain"?

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[–]ClassroomPast6178 7 insightful - 1 fun7 insightful - 0 fun8 insightful - 1 fun -  (6 children)

Tell me about it. I’m a left-wing atheist and I’ve watched lots of my atheist friends fall completely for this shit, and the fervour with which they defend their new belief is every bit as zealous as the creationists and Westboro Baptists that they used to laugh at.

[–]FlyingKangaroo 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

It’s an interesting process. I knew two people in real life, they weren’t atheists from the start but I’d say they were kind of liberal Christians/capable of some Christian-like belief but maybe not caring much about religion and most people’s attitudes to it. They became atheists (although one said as well she had some sort of “her own religion”, never elaborating on it) but the more atheist these two became, the more zealous they were about queer stuff. Not a surprise since one (with “her own religion”) was trans FTM and the other, also female, became NB later. While the NB one was much more aggressive in a way of being anti-Christian, I wondered why they’re capable of supporting so much irrational things as the trans stuff, if they’re against religion (or at least, the mainstream representation of that). The orientation & gender stuff is their new religion, I guess, so they have to defend it...

[–]bopomofodojo 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

I've long thought about that transition of the online New Atheist community and how it basically split around 2013 into the Alt-Right flavour and the Alt-Left (a.k.a. TRA/hyperprogressive) wings. Both of which now dominate politics.

[–]ClassroomPast6178 7 insightful - 1 fun7 insightful - 0 fun8 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

The split wasn’t really Alt-Left / Alt-Right, it was Feminist / Not Feminist.

People like Rebecca Watson, PZ Myers, Matt Dillahunty et al achieved levels of clout way beyond what they should have from making wild claims about sexual harassment, racism and various other isms and phobias at Atheist gatherings and community. People who wouldn’t play ball and were unapologetic about it, like Dawkins, were denounced.

The feminist faction seemed to adopt the transgender ideology without questioning it at all, which is hilarious for a bunch of self-proclaimed sceptics.

[–]LtGreenCo 9 insightful - 1 fun9 insightful - 0 fun10 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

I remember when woke ideology first appeared on my radar. It wasn't called "woke" then; I don't think "SJW" was even a thing yet either. It was simply Feminism, or I guess "Intersectional Feminism". It started with Occupy Wall Street -- that movement got totally overtaken by feminists. I didn't think anything of it at the time because OWS protesters were annoying as shit and I didn't care what happened to them.

But then one day Feminism/Social Justice almost overnight completely hijacked the skeptic/atheism communities. And as a skeptic and atheist myself it blew me away - I couldn't understand how anyone claiming to be on the side of science, objectivism and reason could fall so deep and so quickly for that insane and illogical pseudoreligious dogma. So I divorced myself from the "Atheist" label and just started calling myself a "Non-Theist" to avoid embarrassment by association. Still, at that point I had no idea what we were in for.

And then the safe-space college kids started making waves. Having nervous breakdowns over "microaggressions" and saying the most insane shit to their professors. Refusing to go to class and demanding their universities create safe spaces and fire staff they didn't like. I laughed it off though, thinking "haha wait until these little turds try and get a job in the real world where there are no safe spaces". But they totally did, and I'm not laughing now.

[–]LyingSpirit472 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Well, it makes some sense. Ultimately, you got to believe in something, and the online New Atheist community was built around believing in nothing for so long that once they got something they could be "right" to believe in, they ended up turning it into religion.

[–]Q-Continuum-kin 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

It's a failure to recognize trans/gender ideology as a religion. Traditional religions revolve around worship of a deity/deities or some kind of spirituality where the self is set into a greater spiritual or nature based realm or energy etc. Trans ideology is worship of the self and places maximum importance on the random dumb thoughts inside their heads. Some of it is sort of like an inner realm where they create various alternative realities.

A way to think about it is like drawing a dotted line around your brain. A traditional religious view worships everything outside the dotted line and recognizes the insignificance of the individual but they still tend to make up weird rules to describe things which can't be understood. The gender religion inverts that and views everything outside the dotted line as insignificant at the expense of the individual.