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[–]Alienhunter糞大名 14 insightful - 1 fun14 insightful - 0 fun15 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

People can't change their sex. Doesn't matter if we allow it or not. With current medical technology what we have isn't a gender change but a series of experimental hormone treatments and invasive cosmetic surgeries that make someone look more like the other sex. But let's just say the psychological effects aren't exactly well understood or documented, and even after transitions well, things aren't so peachy.

https://www.reddit.com/r/ftm/comments/t1jr3t/helping_my_husbands_dysphoria/

Main issues at play, gender disphoria is a real condition, we can't reasonably precent people from chosing to identify how they wish, but the medical and social institutions shouldn't be under any obligation to recognize self identified gender identities ant more than they should be obligated to recognize self identified handicaps as reason for parking in the handicapped spot.

It's a mental illness, there's a capitalistic corporate profit driven medical lobby interested in monetizing treatment as much as possible. There might be some measurable benefit towards mental health but it's not anywhere close to resembling fix since suicide rates post transition are still super high. It is however by far the solution that makes the most money for doctors as it requires lifelong treatment.

So letting people to change their gender, whatever the fuck that actually means, isn't necessarily fixing their underlying problems. And it may be making their problems worse in many cases. You wouldn't let someone who is "transabled" and has limb disphoria pay to have their healthy limbs surgically removed. You wouldn't let someone who is a blind cave fish otherkin pay to have their eyeballs and lungs removed. Why should we allow people who suffer from gender disphoria pay to have their genitals removed?

Are we going to let the guy who thinks he's Jesus pay someone to crucify him? It's all nonsense.

[–]clownworlddropout[S] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

This is a good argument, but I'd like to add that so-called gender dysphoria isn't the only avenue towards transitioning.

Gender confusion can occur for many other reasons: homosexuality, gender non-conformity, peer or parental pressure, narcissism, self-loathing, indoctrination... the list goes on, and there's no gatekeeping permitted within psychology to weed out and protect these people from their own self-destruction.

[–]Alienhunter糞大名 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Good point. All are potential causes for trans identification. Also I'd like to point out a fairly big difference between simply experiencing gender confusion which is a fairly normal phenomenon that happens to a lot of people to some degree at some point in their lives, and actually identifying as the opposite sex.

I think for women especially, but also men, it's fairly typical of them to go through a period of bodily disphoric and gender confusion post puberty.