What do you think society as a whole's true stance is on trans people?

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[–][deleted] 5 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 0 fun6 insightful - 1 fun -  (12 children)

I take a live-and-let-live stance: Grown adults should be able to do as they please, so long as they aren't hurting anyone else.

I know people, though, here in America, that are taking the stance that it's my mindset that has allowed things to become the way they are. They blame the idea of allowing people to live how they want to live for why we're now seeing the worst parts of the trans ideology.

No lie, I had a friendship end because the person who used to be my friend now believes I should be killed for being too permissive of others, and he fully believes that rounding up and executing anyone who he deems "too liberal" ( specifically "anyone to the left of him") is the only option left.

Basically, he's openly advocating for what certain people on the Left are advocating for, just in reverse. And he's not alone in this belief.

It's somewhat scary, honestly, that one side wants to create a push to exterminate anyone who's not as far Left as them, and that's led to a push from the other side to eliminate anyone who's not as far Right as they are, so now everyone seems to be in agreement that 80% of the country just needs to be murdered in government-sanctioned purges, and the only disagreement is on whether it's the leftmost or rightmost 20% that are the only ones that should be permitted to live.

I'd say we've regressed into extreme tribalism, but I think our ability to accept others at even the tribal level has atrophied. At this juncture, I figure human extinction is inevitable, because no one is going to be satisfied that they've crushed all of their enemies until they've silenced every opposition to their own individual thoughts, including that voice of doubt in their own head. The last two humans left will kill each other rather than let someone who might disagree with them draw breath, then the victor will immediately turn on himself to prevent his older self from looking back on his actions and potentially disagreeing with him

There is no future. Welcome to the end of history

[–]IMissPorn 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (11 children)

I know people, though, here in America, that are taking the stance that it's my mindset that has allowed things to become the way they are. They blame the idea of allowing people to live how they want to live for why we're now seeing the worst parts of the trans ideology.

There's definitely some truth to that. Tolerance has been twisted into hatred for anyone who dares criticize the favored in-groups.

[–][deleted] 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (10 children)

And the blame for tolerance turning into that is often placed on those that gave them tolerance, not the ones that got said tolerance and said "this is no longer good enough. Now you must bow, peasant!"

We no longer blame extremists, we blame moderates for "not doing enough" to stop the moderates, and "being moderate" has become synonymous with "not being in 100% lockstep with either one group of extremists or the other."

[–]YJaewedwqewq 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (9 children)

Maybe if people keep demanding more and more tolerance, you should stop giving it to them. It is indeed the fault of the tolerant. if someone showed up to your house and said "Hello, I'm a child murderer, can I come in for some coffee?" and your response is "sure, come in, but none of this child murdering business!", then when they say "by the way, can I murder your child?" you say "aww shucks, I guess I have no choice, do I? Go ahead!", you would be 100% at fault, not only for letting this obviously horrendous person in in the first place, but especially for continuing to be their doormat even after their nefarious intent was made exceedingly obvious and the imminent realization of that intent was looming. And not only this, but now you rabidly attack anyone who rightfully blames you for this.

If you hold open the gate for the enemy, then you surely share at least some of the blame, do you not? I genuinely cannot understand how you fail to process this. is it cope? Is it a sunk cost sort of situation?

[–][deleted] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (8 children)

It's not the fault of the "if you're not hurting anyone, it's nobody's business" crowd when someone decides to start hurting people.

Much in the same way it's not the NRA's fault when some isolated little weirdo decides to grab a gun and do something horrible.

Maybe try blaming bad actions on the bad actors, rather than blaming those uninvolved? Or is the idea of personal responsibility maybe a difficult thing to grasp?

As for the infamous "where do we draw the line" argument, well, that part's pretty obvious: When something occurs between consenting adults, there's not a problem. Once it involves children, people who don't consent, or people who can't consent, it's a problem.

[–]YJaewedwqewq 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (7 children)

Maybe try blaming bad actions on the bad actors

You say that like it's not already happening. This Boomer lolbert NAP bullshit is, again, the reason we're here, and no amount of cope and deflection escapes that.

Your "just let people enjoy things" attitude is essentially an endorsement of trannies, faggots, and every other social ill that has befallen humanity. Do you not realize that these people are not just "random crazies" as you say, they're an infection. You can't "tolerate" a disease, you can't let a malignant tumor "do it's own thing", because it's VERY EXISTENCE HARMS THE HOST.

Once it involves children, people who don't consent, or people who can't consent, it's a problem.

It has ALWAYS involved children. It has ALWAYS involved people who don't and can't consent. Your fail to realize that these people are evil, either that, or you do and simply don't care.

[–][deleted] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (6 children)

So the solution is what, here?

[–]YJaewedwqewq 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (5 children)

The solution is to ban this faggotry and ban any promotion or normalization of it. If it's okay to force people to get dubious injections and enforce a draconian dress code for a virus with a <1% mortality rate, then it's VERY okay to punish people for promoting corrupting, harmful moral syphilis that invariably results in pedophilia, mass suicide, AIDS, etc.

Unfortunately however, this kind of justice will never happen until spineless cuckolds like you grow a pair and stop being a human doormat for the most worthless subhumans the human race has to offer.

[–][deleted] 0 insightful - 1 fun0 insightful - 0 fun1 insightful - 1 fun -  (4 children)

Ban faggotry? So how do you ban sexual activity between consenting adults?

Seriously, the entire Muslim world is still working on how to do that, and even they can't figure it out, despite "public execution" being an option.

It's not being a "human doormat" to say "leave people alone who aren't hurting anyone else," it's pretty much one of the foundational ideals of America

[–]YJaewedwqewq 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

Seriously, the entire Muslim world is still working on how to do that, and even they can't figure it out

They seem to be pretty good at it actually. The shortfalls are probably due to the fact that most of their governments are shitty and nonfunctional.

It's not being a "human doormat" to say "leave people alone who aren't hurting anyone else,"

Except it literally is. And as I have said before, yet you refuse to acknowledge, these people ARE hurting other people, in fact, they're hurting EVERYONE else to some extent.

it's pretty much one of the foundational ideals of America

Which is how you can tell it's probably a bad idea. A nation founded almost entirely by atheist, Enlightenment freemasons should generally serve as an example of what NOT to trust or imitate.