From a Disney cartoon (shocking, I know…), The Owl House… This really showcases the consequences of Steven Universe. Cartoons like these aren’t actually made for kids. They’re made for man-children who constantly demand for “validation”.

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[–]Q-Continuum-kin 9 insightful - 1 fun9 insightful - 0 fun10 insightful - 1 fun -  (6 children)

I wonder if there's an actual plot or if it's just a bunch of reeeeeeee.

The constant need to "validate bisexuality" is so weird. Half of your attraction is straight and no one gives a shit or will oppress you over it and if you live in a place where you are oppressed it's because the other half where you are gay and seen as some kind of abomination. In that case it's fairly easy to just exist in heterosexual relationships.

[–]Alienhunter糞大名 5 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 0 fun6 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

There's been a conceded effort to shoehorn this stuff into kids shows. I can't really straight romances being a thing in kids shows before? Maybe implied? I don't really know how you'd tell if a kid was gay or bi or straight or whatever since being any of those things involves sex, and if you've got some prepubescent kid thinking about sex that's usually a sign of abuse.

Had some mother tell me the other day that her elementary school aged kids are gay. I asked her how does she know they are gay? Clammed up tighter than Fort Knox. There's no way to answer that question. Either the parent is extremely stupid or abusive. Either way kids probably would be better off raised with someone else.

[–]jet199 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

Most kids don't have a clear sense of being attracted to anyone. It's easy then to convince them they are in fact attracted to everyone and should have no boundaries or preferences.

[–]Alienhunter糞大名 6 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 0 fun7 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

I watched a presentation from a gay activist recently whose personal story was basically "I knew I was gay from kindergarten because I had more boy friends than girl friends.

And I'm just sitting there thinking, so you're like most normal kindergarteners? You prefer to play with the same sex? Gaaaaay?

[–]Q-Continuum-kin 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

gay or bi or straight or whatever since being any of those things involves sex

It requires the attraction not actual sex but the kid needs to go through puberty before that really kicks in.

[–]jet199 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Because a lot of bi identified people ain't really bisexual.

I keep repeating but a teen on reddit once told me without irony that he knew he was bisexual because he could get turned on when both men and women were on screen when he was watching porn.

Bi is just becoming another word for virgin or desperate for human contact.

[–]FlyingKangaroo 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Aside from the shit art style, I also view this cartoons as just reeeeee stuff.

It seems to me as if bi people (at least most of them or the younger ones) are massive attention seekers, among some other flavors of the LGBTQ community.

[–]Alienhunter糞大名 7 insightful - 3 fun7 insightful - 2 fun8 insightful - 3 fun -  (20 children)

For context as well they cancelled this show cause nobody was watching it outside certain circles and the creator is pissed that the studio executives care about making money. So she's one of those.

This and another show on Netflix called "paranormal park" both have come out of this recent trend of making overtly LGBTQ+ characters in children's shows. Both seem like they were made specifically to trigger religious types as the whole "gay demons from hell" vibe they seem to be going for is gonna get picked up by the preachers once they find out about it and it will cause a bunch of public backlash as you're starting to see form now, generally conservative parent types don't give a fuck about these sorts of children's shows until something about the content hits the news and they are outraged. Also children generally don't give much of a fuck about these shows either since they'd rather watch YouTube these days I think. It's mostly tweens and immature college types I think.

Regardless I suspect the creators are basically just channeling their inner whiny brat and making the shit their own parents wouldn't like because they can now. Can't say if the shows are good or not cause I'll not watch them, description seems boring as fuck and boring + gay seems like a bad combo for entertaining media.

Like how about we go with my new show. It's a show about regular gay people sitting around watching TV and getting annoyed when shows they like are cancelled. It's called, watching TV is gay.

[–]LordoftheFliesAmeri-kin 2.0. Pronouns: MegaWhite/SuperStraight/UltraPatriarchy 6 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 0 fun7 insightful - 1 fun -  (12 children)

Both seem like they were made specifically to trigger religious types

I'm thinking that they're going for that classic entertainment formula: stir a bunch of shit with intent to generate outrage and controversy, get people ideologically opposed to the objecting group to white knight and browbeat the uncommitted centrists into consuming the content, rake in ad/merchandising revenue.

[–]Alienhunter糞大名 4 insightful - 4 fun4 insightful - 3 fun5 insightful - 4 fun -  (11 children)

Might be that. You make the hamburger from shit, you tell people that Nazis hate the shit hamburger, people buy it to show they aren't shit hating Nazis. Hamburger is still made from shit.

Guess it's like the Christian movies that are like "Atheists don't want you to see this powerful movie" and it's like low budget lifetime movie shit. Man meets girl, man has sex with girl before marriage, girl gets abortion, both go to hell. The end.

[–]LordoftheFliesAmeri-kin 2.0. Pronouns: MegaWhite/SuperStraight/UltraPatriarchy 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

low budget lifetime movie shit

Which is an awfully low bar to begin with, Lifetime movies are not notable for their lavish budgets. Or their plots beyond "woman is abused."

[–]Alienhunter糞大名 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

There's a whole genre of low budget christian ideological wankbait films. Like some lifetime , occasionally they can be quite entertaining, especially when you get to the apocalypse thriller style or comedy films, there's something endearing about trying to do a squeaky clean low violence no cursing Christian movie about the literal battle of Armageddon that just trends toward beautiful camp. I remember seeing one where some guy was the President and he was brothers with the EU president who turned out to be Satan and he morphed into Bahomet or whatever they call it and had a fist fight. Satan won then Jesus showed up in a literal Deus Ex Machina to save the day. Extremely entertaining.

Unfortunately most of them are really poor quality dating movies made for single or Christian women that like to wag their fingers and moralize everything. I don't really care if a movie has a message I agree with or not so long as it's good, but it's apparent these movies believe the message is more important than the movie and tend to have sermon scenes where the plot just stops for 20 minutes so you can watch a sermon. Sometimes literally the framing device for the sermon is everyone sitting in church listening to the sermon. Hilarious but unfortunately boring as sin.

[–]jet199 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Boyfriend is evil, ex-husband is good.

Babysitter/sister/daughter you gave up for adoption wants to steal your life.

Hometown ex-boyfriend is your true love.

[–]jet199 1 insightful - 4 fun1 insightful - 3 fun2 insightful - 4 fun -  (3 children)

The last Christian movie I accidentally watched, the Christian guy's evil boss tried to ruin him so he set up his own business and got really rich. Then his boss lost all his customers because they found out he was evil and the ending was, I kid you not, the Christian guy gave the evil boss all the money he had made through his own hard work for no good reason.

It was worse than abortion.

[–]Alienhunter糞大名 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

Lol. Those types are always the worst. Why can't they make good shit like Ben Hur or 10 Commandments anymore?

There was that Russel Crowe Noah movie recently that had weird rock giants and shit and I'm thinking like, there's a pretty good global warming angle you could shoehorn into this movie, but you go with the giants? Ok

I did see this one movie with that chick from back to the future 3 that got banned in Malaysia for disrespecting the prophet Noah. Noah fled Sodom with his brother Lot but then Lot became a pirate and tried to take over the ark and eat all the animals. Then God decided humans were fucked and he was gonna kill everyone, but then Noah got drunk god thought it was funny and decided to give humanity a third chance or some shit. Was biblically illiterate as fuck made me scratch my head who made it.

[–]jet199 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

No, Noah being a drunk is in the bible. And it gets a lot worse than that with his drinking.

[–]Alienhunter糞大名 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

All Noah did was get drunk and fall asleep naked. If your not done that you've not lived.

[–]UrethraFranklin 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

The best summation of God's Not Dead I saw was "it teaches you that the best thing you can do to an atheist is run them over with your car".

[–]Alienhunter糞大名 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

God's not dead 4: We the People

"A group of parents led by a local pastor are home-schooling their children when a representative from social services makes an unannounced visit and determines the parents' teaching is not sufficient, in light of the requirements of the common core state standards. A local judge, played by Jeanine Pirro, gives them a week to prove that their education is adequate or the students will be forced to go to public school. The pastor and the parents head to Washington, D.C. to testify in front of a Congressional sub-committee on home-schooling. Much of the last half of the film consists mainly of long speeches by the parents, pastor, and members of Congress over the topic of home-schooling."

And yes this is actually the movie.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/God%27s_Not_Dead:_We_the_People

[–]Newzok 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Court drama is a the worst genre in the first place. But I did like christcore movies like image of the beast. Terrible terrible film but a real slice of preachy local church cooperation.

[–]OuroborosTheory 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

finally we have a director who can film Atlas Shrugged as it was MEANT to be depicted

[–]OuroborosTheory 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (6 children)

tbh the new management seems to have "actually knowing how to make money" quite low on its priority list, behind "axe everything except Cocomelon crap and torch the building for the insurance money"

[–]Alienhunter糞大名 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (5 children)

Think it's the age old struggle between the idealistic creative types and the business minded types. You could make a fairly compelling argument that LGBTQIA2SHIV+ content was £€¥¢$ adjacent. Due to all the content online, it's what the audiences want no? And naturally the true believers will see it as a moral crusade rather than a way to make money.

Thing is I think in the long run they're making the mistake. You don't make shit for the kids, kids don't have money. Maybe the kids are into gay shit now? Maybe not. I don't claim to know what children are into these days. But I can tell you that it's mommy and daddy who pay for that Disney+ subscription in an increasingly competitive streaming market. And well they're already losing the more conservative types with the gay shit. Me I'm more likely to cancel due to the absolute shit live action remakes.

[–]OuroborosTheory 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (4 children)

the joke is "animation isn't for kids--it's for 30somethings in Portland"--but that's just from the creators' angle rather than economics

animation-wise, just compare the explosive diversity of the 90s' Cartoon Cartoons to the flattish, thin-lined, sameface elements that appear in basically every show cancelled or not--only like Smiling Friends, Kid Cosmic, or It's Pony (lol) looks noticeably different

this also has to do with all cartoons having a same shared audience now, largely 17-22yo Tweeters highly concerned with having the RIGHT stance on race and gender (even if they reverse without notice or memory): THEY can't make shows or new characters of their own, but they sure can pressure someone who DOES have one, like a cuckoo making another bird raise their chick

like, you can't even keep it at the level of a subtle hint, or genuinely not have an explicit banner-waving stand on a character's sexuality, or that's "gay-baiting," "whitewashing," "hemidemisexual erasure": they're EXHAUSTING: and it's such a homogenizing pressure, you compare the cartoons all together and it hits you that they have a beanmouth approach to LGBT and a beanmouth approach to story arcs and a beanmouth approach to magic and--

but even if there's some kidults buying stuff specifically to support a show/cause, there's still 10x more parents buying the 8x8 spinner books and comic books and toys that are always underfoot (though Zaslav, again, seems to have no clue that you have to actually DO promotion to get this "money," he's from reality TV so his approach is "fire everyone and replace them with slutty men and women fighting over their herpes")

[–]Alienhunter糞大名 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

Animation was always a bit of an avant-garde medium, Disney capitalized on this early by churning out some truly cool shit like Fantasia, but trippy art house takes of classical music doesn't exactly scream marketable. Definitely not for kids though, they lack the attention span. Certainly suitable for kids however. Which is why dragging your kids to actual art, opera, what not is somewhat important if you don't want them to grow up to develop a good sense of taste.

Most cartoons are just cheaply made shit for kids though. Which is why they suck when they try to take the essentially children's medium and make them adult.

I think most of it is just American audiences have a stick up their ass about anything deemed remotely offensive these days. Old Pinocchio movie you've got Pinocchio's "conscience" bungling that job by constantly skirt chasing as a meta joke for the adults taking there kids there and Pinocchio being a bad boy out drinking beer and smoking Cubans, and nobody gave a shit. The movie was legit scary, and that was the point, see kid you do bad adult stuff scary things can happen to you.

Now audiences would just be agasp at the very idea that you'd dare depict smoking in a bad light. How dare you! Besides whatever other cultural minefields exist between the ever shifting standards of what exactly constitutes offensive sex, violence, or language. I think maybe it was the rise of home video movie ratings and later the internet that really got the easily offended to band together. You watch movies from the 70's or 80's and they're a bit more grit to them, 90's. You could make an otherwise non-violent fairly tame content wise film but if you dare have someone say a naughty word like fuck, R rating for you. The aforementioned Pinocchio would also get an R rating today because of the smoking scene.

[–]OuroborosTheory 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

I think the factor here is that the classics were made for both adult and child audiences at once: Bugs and (later) the Flintstones spoke to both age groups at the same time, instead of slipping an in-joke for the parents into something otherwise "made for kids"; after Moose and Squirrel the 70s saw a Dark Age, and the 80s were all merch and franchises

I think the only classic-style animation then was Roger Rabbi, and that brings us into the 90s and 00s, which are very different from the post-2014--they DID take on weighty issues, but did so much more subtly and effectively (I do have to note that I don't actually object to most of the current depictions, but when you put them all TOGETHER ...)

I think the same thing happened with "YA": you can come back to Norton Juster, Wilson Rawls, John Bellairs, Baum, Cleary, etc. as an adult; is anyone gonna have fond memories two decades later of Princess Told She Can't Fight But Kicks Butt #27, Prince Finds Prince #43, or Planned Parenthood Fundraiser #2?; I mean go to B&N and the covers are all literally the same in the YA section ...

and yeah all the focus on labels first is making everything oddly un-libidinous: "this is Xyler, they're aroace but regularly sticks Tab A into Slot B," that's such a DRAINING sentence I wrote, isn't it? it's the same how Gen Z's 40% enobyqueer but when asked "do you want to change your sex?" or "do you want to boink someone of the same sex?" the numbers are the same as always

[–]Alienhunter糞大名 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

Can't say I know shit about YA stuff. Basically have never read it. Had it pushed on me in school as that "reading is cool" crap and it largely turned me off wanting to read in general. Was an avid reader before that but was reading stuff way above my "academic level". Kept getting shit for using archaic terminology. Got punished once for calling a door knob queer because I assumed (correctly I might add) that the word meant "strange and unusual but not in a bad way" and the doorknob was incredibly gay.

I might just go down to the bookstore again and take a gander at what they are selling. Though I tend to glaze over at whatever the popular shit is.

YA has always just seemed like a garbage genre to me. Does Harry Potter count? Because I think it fits the mold. I walked out or the first movie and never saw any others cause of all that "yer za chozen won harry!, Yer za best at everything and everyone wanna be your friend and you won sport you never play before and are the best ever" BS.

[–]OuroborosTheory 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

"YA" is a very new genre that absorbed some middle-school-level fiction (Rowling, Pullman) but really became its own branch in the 10s, so you have a whole cohort of newcomers who can fixate on ableism in YA book covers and have constant catfights tearing one another down

it's the opposite of romance, where if you pick up Deconverting the Mormon Widower, you're going to GET an LDS widower being deconverted, by gum

[–]handbananasrevenge 6 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 0 fun7 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

Note that they are always WAY more excited about this stuff showing up in kids shows than they are about it showing up in adult programming.

Then again, this is Disney. A company founded to entertain kids. It still makes “kid” shows but those shows now have to cater to the creepy Reddit sexual politics of childless 30 and 40 something year olds. Because that demographic are now their primary audience.

[–]Alienhunter糞大名 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

They're larping their own family issues.

You see in these shows the main character is subject to mild resistance towards something from their parents or other authority figure then they go on a speech about love and acceptance or whatever and with the power of friendship the bigot backs down and everyone is happy. It's what the writers imagined they wanted to do in their own situation. Actually what happens is they either stay quiet because they are cowards or they do say something and it's rare anyone jumps up to their defense because they are stupid and causing a scene.

Right now it's gay LGBT shit. Before it was "you can be whatever you want to be" pie in the sky career shit. "Mom didn't want me to go to art school but I went anyway follow your dreams". Follow your dreams is fair advice, but if your dreams are stupid then you'll fail. Queue loads of emotionally weak children going into the humanities who have panic attacks after getting points knocked off for spelling, or if someone says they don't like their favorite TV show. Seen stupid nerds get in fights over someone dissing their favorite show it's so stupid. Someone asks you to critique their screenplay and they get mad at you when you tell them to change shit to make it more marketable. Yeah I know you want to be an unrestricted artist and that's great, but if you make shit nobody wants to watch besides you you can't bully and guilt trip people into going and seeing it forever. Only works maybe once a generation.

[–]jet199 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

I swear in the 90's there were a bunch of kids shows about a kid wanting to be vegetarian but her family were butchers and similar trite shite.

Not just one episode like the Simpsons, that was the basis of the whole show and all the characters.

[–]FlyingKangaroo 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Note that they are always WAY more excited about this stuff showing up in kids shows than they are about it showing up in adult programming.

My guess is that it’s a subconscious excitement over the possibility of manipulating children into supporting that stuff and “exploring” themselves.

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    [–]Alienhunter糞大名 5 insightful - 2 fun5 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

    That sinking feeling when you've picked up all the kids on the magic school bus, asian kids, Mexican kids, black kids, Jewish kids, but you forgot your diversity shopping list was two pages long and you forgot the gay kids, the lesbian kids, the Uni-sexual kids, the Latrine-o's and Latrine-Xs, the sadomasochistic kindergarteners, and Uncle Jim-Bob the 40 year old elementary school student.

    Wahoo it's a wild ride now.