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[–]Alienhunter糞大名 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

Well yes because they were retarded. Lots of people hate the church not because of its institutional authority and control or it's corruption, but because they just have mommy and daddy and general authority issues and don't like it when an institution tells them something they do is wrong rather than just having the adult response of , meh whatever. You'll see this IRL with the types of people who get incredibly angry and emotional at street preachers, proselytizers and the like. It's actually the same thing you see from the right when you get the very strong emotional responses towards things they really don't like, homosexuals, communists, Hollywood bullshit, plenty of issues with all these groups and legitimate complaints to go around, but a lot of people are just driven by pure emotion and that same religious desire to virtue signal and go on some damn fool idealistic crusade to make themselves feel better rather than actually doing anything to fix issues. When they align with your side you'll either be blind to or choose to overlook a lot of this because they are essentially fighting on the right side, but you'll be blindsided later when they join some other stupid damn fool idealistic crusade you don't agree with. The issue is they never were really fighting for the same things you were fighting for, their intentions were different. It's also why you should always at the very least make an attempt to listen to and understand your opponents positions as well so long as they are acting in good faith, you should even go so far as assume good faith in most situations simply because many aren't knowingly arguing in bad faith knowingly, but are simply caught up in an ideology.

None of this is the exclusive purview of the right or the left. In fact people tend to move back and forth along the political spectrum depending on what they feel is the most important. I also think that despite the whole anti-religious sentiments, a lot of these people are at their core deeply "religious" in habit. They want to go to the meetings, they want to go do the evangelizing, they want to do the self flaggerization, they revel in the negative attention that others lump on them and the names they are called as a validation of their holy status in the eyes of the unwashed masses. Is there really that much difference between the people standing outside of the abortion clinics screaming murder and the people standing outside of the college lecture halls screaming fascism? Their ideologies are opposed, but their core personalities and social needs are more or less identical.

One of the reasons I think caution is in order when breaking any social institutions grasp on a society. The church is clearly corrupt and should be viewed with a critical eye and be held accountable for issues it causes, but the whole institution itself isn't by all end all evil, it serves a very important social purpose of giving otherwise disparate people a common pillar, or shall we say experience to rally around. Be that totem polls in the forest animal sacrifices in the temple, every society throughout history has had something like this. We can remove it from ours but human nature remains. We will rally around something. Opportunists grifters false prophets pedophiles all the evils of the world will notice this and try to control it. What is it now but simply the new serial religion of Facebook and Twitter. The creed changes with the 24 hour news cycle, but the basic psychological needs remain the same.

The question we should ask is, how can we profit from this? What is the next step in the great social religion of histeronic neuroticism?

I think we have correctly identified pedophiles as the next group to try to gain acceptance, I don't think they will and the culture will shift at that point as it has before with NAMBLA and the gay rights movements. But after that what? I believe we are ripe for another large religious revival, much like the rise of Pentacostslist movement. I suspect it will be some weird mix of pseudo-christian heresies and Elon Musk style Techno-futurism coupled with druid shit.

[–]jet199 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (1 child)

I think a move to trad families more likely.

There is already such a movement among teen girls.

Eventually a generation will come along who realise it's their broken families and naive under-strict parents who have fucked them up, not society. They will then rebel against the individualist values of our age.

[–]Alienhunter糞大名 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

Seems very likely.

[–]Wanderingthehalls 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

I get that people have a need for some sort of religion. I've read before that religious zeal, this kind of activism, sports and music fandom can all have very similar affects on our brains, which makes sense. I think the sensation of connection you might feel in the crowd of a concert of a musician you adore or being in a stadium when the team you are crazy about score a vital goal in an important match would be very similar to religious zeal or getting worked up at a big protest. Being part of a big emotional moment in a crowd can be very powerful sensation.