Bad things only happen in capitalism

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[–]ClassroomPast6178 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (4 children)

Right, what do they mean by white supremacy? (By “they” I mean anyone who uses that term).

When I think “white supremacy/supremacist” I think of sieg heiling skinheads, Klansmen in robes and actual Nazis, but I get the distinct impression that when “white supremacy” is invoked it is in reference to the “crime” of being white in a majority white country (primarily US, UK and Canada but I suppose Aus, NZ as well, Ireland never seems to get included).

I struggle to see the white supremacy in these white majority countries as even a cursory glance at the media (printed and broadcast) will reveal, especially in the UK but I suspect in the others too, an over-representation of non-whites (in all forms, fiction and non-fiction). No where is this more evident than in the hypercapitalistic world of commercial advertising, where every second advert on TV or streaming service features a non-white actor, often as part of a inter-racial couple, something unthinkable under my understanding of “white supremacy”.

If we accept that a hypothesis should be falsifiable in order to be a valid hypothesis, then the hypothesis that capitalism as we are currently experiencing it in the aforementioned countries is perpetrating “white supremacy” should be falsified by the appearance of inter-racial couples in TV adverts, or there exists a definition of “white supremacy” that doesn’t just permit but celebrates and promotes inter-racial coupling.

The obvious question being that if we were to visit black or brown majority countries and not see the promotion and celebration of inter-racial coupling, what does that tell us about racism in those countries?

Tl;dr

A hypothesis should be falsifiable. The hypothesis that capitalism is causing racism can be falsified. The way we falsify this hypothesis would be to look to how capitalism treats non-whites. Advertising is pure capitalism in media form. Sexual relationships between whites and non-whites seem to be frequently celebrated and on display in advertising, and occur at rates far higher than in the population. Therefore, the hypothesis that capitalism is driving white supremacy is falsified. Try harder.

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When I think “white supremacy/supremacist” I think of sieg heiling skinheads, Klansmen in robes and actual Nazis

I used to think that too. There's actually a few white supremacists on here, and you've probably already talked to them without knowing. They're not the cartoon caricatures of evil they're are presented as, not largely anyways. It's not anymore of an extreme idea than saying Japan should be for Japanese people, and they have a right to be ethnically Japanese and embrace their own culture. But nobody calls those people Yellow Supremacists, that would be insanely racist.

It was easier to speak to them when s/debatealtright was still allowed on the front page, but they're not dumb and evil like I was led to believe originally. I support their desire to have a white nation -- I mean, why not, go take Utah, although I don't fit strict definitions of white.

[–]Alienhunter糞大名 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

There's a subtle difference between promoting nationalism and cultural supremacy vs racial supremacy. There's also a subtle difference between cultural supremacist viewpoints and just nationalism.

It's fine to think "my cultural and ethnic values are best for my country and my people". It's also fine to think that "my cultural and ethnic values are good and other people should be encouraged to adopt them".

It becomes an issue when you start thinking "my cultural and ethnic values are better for everyone everywhere and they should be forced to adopt it" or the extremely retarded "people who don't look like me cannot share my values".

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There's a subtle difference between promoting nationalism and cultural supremacy vs racial supremacy.

Jews, Japanese, and the Chinese all believe in their racial supremacy. It's only an issue if a white guy does it.

It becomes an issue when you start thinking "my cultural and ethnic values are better for everyone everywhere and they should be forced to adopt it"

These cultures view outsiders as inferior and not capable of improving themselves. Thinking another culture could elevate itself to one's own doesn't seem particularly racist.

I mean, are you arguing for Colored People Time here? Just show up whenever you feel like it? And it's evil white nationalism forcing being on time on everyone. Cause that's just one minor issue, but that's one of those white values expected of other cultures.

[–]Alienhunter糞大名 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Jews, Japanese, and the Chinese all believe in their racial supremacy. It's only an issue if a white guy does it.

And all of these groups have engaged in racially and culturally motivated genocide in the past. Still an issue when they do it.

These cultures view outsiders as inferior and not capable of improving themselves.

A very simple-minded take on a more complex issue than that. They view their cultures as better for them in most cases but don't necessarily view outsiders as inferior or incapable of improvement. I suggest travel as a way to get a more accurate view of these cultures rather than whatever the media in your country wishes to say.

I mean, are you arguing for Colored People Time here? Just show up whenever you feel like it? And it's evil white nationalism forcing being on time on everyone. Cause that's just one minor issue, but that's one of those white values expected of other cultures.

If we want to get into a discussion on how different cultures, specifically pre-industrial ones have a different sense of time than countries where factories and other time sensitive and complex business practices necessitate punctuality there is something to talk about.

This whole idea that black people can't be expected to show up on time is extremely racist and stupid though. However if you go to a developing country or otherwise non-industrialized location and start taking issue with the locals operating on a "I go when I feel like it schedule" you can't really complain about how they do things in their country, well you certainly can complain and I certainly feel it's free reign to criticize other cultures, but you can't expect them to care anymore than you'd care about some African Tribal who has never flown telling you it's stupid to show up three hours before your flight. He may be annoyed by the scheduling demands of a modern society and perhaps rightly so but his complaints would be idiotic and stupid since society won't change for him. The opposite is also true. Skin color is entirely irrelevant. Industrial/pre-industrial societal attitudes are more to blame. Also you'll find that colder climates produce more punctual cultures as naturally if the work doesn't get done on time you will freeze to death, as opposed to working near the equator where if you don't siesta during the hot part of the day you might die from heat exhaustion.

There's no one right way of doing things that is applicable to all people across all locations at all times. Failure to adapt leads to death.