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[–]BioEssentialism 11 insightful - 1 fun11 insightful - 0 fun12 insightful - 1 fun -  (4 children)

My vote is for orientation, because whenever I dare to bring up what used to be the old Leftist belief that homosexuality is biological and innate, and that you are in fact “born that way” and cannot “pray the gay away,” I got called a bigot Nazi TERF and banned from several woke Discords servers.

Apparently horseshoe theory rings correct and the far left have managed to circle itself back into the far right with their beliefs on sexual orientation.

[–][deleted] 6 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 0 fun7 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

This all stems from the problem that trans are incompatible with lesbian and gays. Lesbians don't want "girldick," and gays don't want "manvag." The only way the trannies get to be their pretend gender is if things are more fluid than that.

[–]Alienhunter糞大名 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

I think this was unfortunately a natural development of the discourse. The old leftist belief that homosexuality is biological and innate itself was never fully established because we've never been able to point out with certainly what the biological and innate causes are. And leftist circles enjoyed similar ideological intolerance in the past towards anyone pointing this out as bigoted as well and would conflate it with the right wing talking points and other straw man arguments. This created the culture where the established narrative is not to be questioned and all who do so are to be treated as if they have I'll intent we enjoy now. So it is not surprising that slowly the lowder and more emotional arguments slowly become the standardly accepted ones.

One cannot reason with irate children. The internet merely gives them a mask so they aren't dismissed outright.

Naturally the right wing arguments at the time were equally dubious and held several easily disproved arguments like it was a conscious choice one made. But these arguments were common in religious circles because they see sexual orientation more as a form of temptation to be denied in both heterosexual and homosexual contexts. So when they said, it's a choice, many were saying , you choose rather to have sex or not. Rather than "you choose who you are attracted too."

The argument really began to get into the weeds with tautologies like "love is love" and what not since it basically wasn't an argument so much as a distillation of the entire debate into two ideologically irreconcilable positions of merely good vs evil and fails to identify that both sides are made up of differing opinions. After years of this anyone with an opinion or novel thought to share on either side quickly would learn it's best to say nothing and that merely cedes the floor to the most idiotic and extreme voices, which ultimately will come down to a battle between the pedophiles and the hardline sexual prudish which we are beginning to see form now with trends towards total demonization of normal heterosexual sexual fraternization in public spheres which finds supporters on both the far left as it's seen as deconstruction of the patriarchy and the far religious right where any sexual expression outside the act of procreation itself is suppressed. Since the prudish voices share the largest intersectional share from both political orientations their ideologies will slowly coalesce until another 60's free love style movement begins and the cycles reverse themselves.

Orwell surprisingly got this kind of thing right in 1984 as his descriptions of the Junior Anti Sex League from the party very well capture the kind of prudish attitudes one would think are limited to religious bodies but instead are being implemented by a supposedly progressive and atheist state. However of course the party itself could be easily described as a religious movement. What with Big Brother being the messianic figure, and the two-minutes hate being the holy eucharist.

How interesting it would have been had Orwell been able to forsee the development of technology and the internet. Alas his insight was only into human organizational trends and he sorely lacked imagination on technological advancements.

[–]BioEssentialism 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

which we are beginning to see form now with trends towards total demonization of normal heterosexual sexual fraternization in public spheres which finds supporters on both the far left as it's seen as deconstruction of the patriarchy and the far religious right where any sexual expression outside the act of procreation itself is suppressed. Since the prudish voices share the largest intersectional share from both political orientations their ideologies will slowly coalesce until another 60's free love style movement begins and the cycles reverse themselves.

Is this why we’re beginning to see calls for censorship in even fandom circles against ships that are deemed “problematic?” (i.e. typically used to refer to incest and pedo ships, even in it’s most unproblematic forms such as same-sex or adopted sibling incest or age gaps between two adults or a 2 year gap between minors). It’s all “consenting adults who don’t hurt anyone else can do whatever they want with each other” and “love is love” with the Left unless that love happens to go against their total equality agenda and has some type of power dynamic/inequality at play, even consensual power dynamic play-acting kinks like BDSM or DDLG.

It’s important to realize that while similar in their prudishness, the far left and far right both hate certain displays of sexuality for different reasons.

The far right because they typically tend to be either religious or conformist, so for them sex itself is an earthly sin/temptation that humans should rise above and resist and only do it within the sanctity of marriage for the sole purpose of procreation. (Some religions like Judaism take an extreme pro-life stance on the subject and consider any type of male masturbation or sex outside of vaginal intercourse as murder, because even sperm has the sanctity of “a potential life.) And for non-religious far righters, they’re simply against any sex acts that could be perceived to be “degenerate” or “against the norm” such as homosexuality or what-not.

Meanwhile far leftists hardly put any sacred value on sex at all and couldn’t care less about the sexual expression itself, but like everything else in life they view it as yet another attempt at a power play, so any sexual/romantic dynamic that seems to promote inequality or has a built-in power dynamic personally offends them. They’re fine with free & liberated sexuality but that better only be under their perfect equality, non-heterormative, non-racist, same-age terms! Because even personal relationships or simple hobbies such as shipping somehow have to make a statement furthering their Communist agenda to these fucking fanatics. Being allowed to simply enjoy yourself? That goes against the strict Communist Manifesto Comrade, and promotes oppressive power structures that seek to exploit, which must make you an oppressor! /s 🙄

After years of this anyone with an opinion or novel thought to share on either side quickly would learn it's best to say nothing and that merely cedes the floor to the most idiotic and extreme voices, which ultimately will come down to a battle between the pedophiles and the hardline sexual prudish

With the pedophile thing, from my experience I’d say the far left tends to fall under two camps:

Camp 1 - Anarchists/Hyperlibertarians: These tend to be the “only be intolerant to intolerance or else you’re a bigot” types. They have a poor sense of boundaries and have no idea on where the draw the line, morally speaking. To them morality itself is a social construct as they’re firm believers in the whole “cultural relativism” bs doctrine. They tend to be a double-edged sword because on the one hand while they’re not as annoying as the second type of Leftist what with their huge chip on their shoulder and REEING over everything problematic/unequal they can find, these are the types that tend to be legit pedophiles and take their laissez-faire “anything goes” attitude too far as they unironically believe that children can consent and being against pedophiles is just “another form of bigotry.” The category that coined the term “MAP,” because wouldn’t you know it, calling a pedo a pedo wasn’t politically correct enough for these autistic snowflake freaks. Lots of creepy old AGP “transbians,” furries/zoophiles, and other degenerate autists tend to be this type of leftist and they’re most likely the type who are responsible for pushing pedophilia as “just another orientation.” The only good thing about them is that they’re slightly less annoying than the woketard Leftists because their ideology is one solely based on individual liberty, rather than Communsitic revenge/resentment, they just happened to take the whole “tolerance & acceptance” mantra a tad bit too far. Less annoying but ultimately more dangerous to society in the long run if their pedophilia and zoophilia actually manage to get normalized in the mainstream like homosexuality and transgenderism has, that being said that still doesn’t exempt them from being complete and total lolcows.

Camp 2 - Communist Wokesters: Don’t worry, you won’t ever have to worry about this type pushing pedophilia because they hate pedophiles even more than conservative Qtards do. Not because they particularly care about children or anything but because to them pedophilia is the ultimate power play, because children are perhaps the weakest members of society in general so to woketards they view as a choice on the pedophile’s part that they make to exploit and dominate someone weaker than them because they’re incapable of having an equal relationship (which to the woketard is the equivalent of murder or saying the Lord’s name in vein like it would be for devout Christians). See also my explanation above in my first quote of yours why they even vilify Daddy Dom/Little Girl BDSM dynamics despite those only occurring between consenting adults.

Ultimately both categories of Leftists have the entirely wrong idea about the subject matter. Camp 1 believes it’s a legit non-harmful, natural orientation that shouldn’t be “shamed” and society just needs to to be more tolerant of, while Camp 2 believes pedophilia is simply another manifestation of the bourgeois and their narcissistic need to exploit power over those weaker than them. Both fail to see pedophilia for what it really is - a severe Mental Illness.

[–]OuroborosTheory 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

hence my username