Irish teacher refuses to use “they” pronoun for a troon student, is ordered not to attend the school and now is jailed for breaking that order

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[–]ClassroomPast6178 11 insightful - 2 fun11 insightful - 1 fun12 insightful - 2 fun -  (20 children)

Retard broke a court order, retard went to jail.

Whoever his legal representation/advisor was either didn’t do their job properly or this retard wanted to be jailed because other retards would ree over it.

You can be morally right by refusing to use stupid pronouns, and still retarded for getting jailed for contempt of court.

[–]slavdude0 20 insightful - 3 fun20 insightful - 2 fun21 insightful - 3 fun -  (6 children)

The fuck are you on about? If the law is fucking retarded, people like him are needed.

If court ordered you to suck that "feminine" penis, I assume you would comply?

[–]ClassroomPast6178 7 insightful - 1 fun7 insightful - 0 fun8 insightful - 1 fun -  (5 children)

He got jailed for breaching a court order telling him to stay away from the school whilst he was going through the disciplinary procedure. He decided to breach that order by going into the school.

Schools tend to like to keep staff being disciplined or investigated away from children, even if they are innocent, for obvious reasons.

He chose to ignore the school’s request to stay away, forcing them to get a court order, which he then broke and that was what he was jailed for.

It’s a very peculiar way to protest because his attendance at the school after they told him to stay away would have served no purpose, it’s not like they were going to allow him to teach. What was he planning on doing at the school? Was he harassing staff? Was he harassing children? Was he being a creepy fucker and picketing the school, like those Muslim anti-sex education protestors did?

Do you want someone who is being investigated hanging around your children?

[–]IMissPorn 6 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 0 fun7 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

Answer the question. If the court told you to suck a "feminine" penis, would you do it?

[–]ClassroomPast6178 6 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 0 fun7 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

No. But if a court told me to stay away from a school I would.

Don’t let the fact that the trans shit is insane make you do stupid, self-destructive shit.

[–]Totoro 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

You're a fucking idiot. It's not an all or none game dumb ass.

Of course we would deny that shit... but being forced to suck a dick is not the same as court order to stay away from the school while they conduct their disciplinary process.

You're stupid af for that question and persistence of that question.

[–][deleted] 5 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 0 fun6 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

This, teacher done fucked up.

[–]slavdude0 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

If he is investigated for not being insane? Abso-fucking-lutely.

[–]Datachost 11 insightful - 1 fun11 insightful - 0 fun12 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

When it comes to employment, so long as you're still getting paid, the best route is to go along with whatever bullshit they're trying to put you through. Show up at every meeting, take meticulous notes, bide your time, then sue the fuck out of them once they fire you. That unfortunately often allows them to pull some Kafkaesque bullshit, but you need to appear as the most cooperative person that ever existed at an employment tribunal, you can't give them any loophole of "Well, we fired him because he didn't show up to a meeting"

[–]ClassroomPast6178 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

That works. So does seeking advice from your union and following the advice. If he had legitimate concerns, he could have followed the school’s policies for raising concerns (my school has a policy for that, as I’m sure schools in Ireland do too, especially after all the child abuse scandals). Failing that, he could have talked to his union, they would give him free legal advice, and if after all that he still couldn’t do it, then engaging in the grievance/disciplinary process would have left him an avenue to sue for wrongful termination (possibly on grounds of philosophical beliefs). What he did was very stupid because he not only forced them to get a court order, he breached the court order, probably giving them sufficient grounds to just fire him and he ended up in jail and possibly barred himself from teaching.

[–]RedEyedWarriorThe Evil Cishomo 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

All good points. You have to make these people look unreasonable to normies.

[–]LtGreenCo 11 insightful - 1 fun11 insightful - 0 fun12 insightful - 1 fun -  (4 children)

Yeah but the fact that a court order had to be issued because he didn't utter a specific pronoun should be immediately alarming to anyone with a rudimentary sense of right and wrong. This is dystopian levels of fucked up.

[–]ClassroomPast6178 6 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 0 fun7 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

The court order was made because he didn’t follow the terms of the disciplinary process, ie to stay away from the school whilst the process was completed, that’s fairly standard for schools in my experience. He chose to breach those terms, and the school got a court order, because that’s what you do when someone doesn’t engage with the process.

He then chose to ignore the court order and got jailed.

I fully agree that the situation he found himself in, his conscience being in opposition to what was happening at the school, is fully shit, but his ending up in jail was because he did the wrong thing and not because the system is dystopian. If you object to something at work, you should follow the procedures for doing so, not act like the law doesn’t apply to you.

[–]Q-Continuum-kin 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

I'm curious what he was actually doing at the school. Like if they gave him paid leave to do some review and he kept showing up, I doubt they were allowing him into the classroom.

Any credibility he had ends up going out the window when he himself starts acting like a weirdo.

[–]LtGreenCo 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

I misread the article. I thought the court order was because he made a student uncomfortable by not honoring pronouns. Thanks for the correction.

[–]ClassroomPast6178 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

I initially thought that that was the case too.

[–]exiled_from_reddit 5 insightful - 2 fun5 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 2 fun -  (1 child)

you can judge it negatively, but it's obvious he consciously chose to make a stand.

I also don't think you exhausted the topic here, particularly the word 'retard' oversimplifies the issue.

[–]Alienhunter糞大名 3 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

You've got to choose which battle to fight and which hills go die on. Retards choose the wrong battle and the wrong hills even if they have the same cause.

The flow in this case is, guy refused to use pronouns, school began disciplinary proceedings, requested the teacher stay home during those proceedings as per standard operating procedure whenever a teacher has been accused to something that "endangers the safety of students" it's stupid but it's the best practice so the school doesn't get liability after the fact for allowing say, a teacher that has been accused of assaulting students, to continue to assault students while the investigation is conducted. As of yet, no disciplinary decision has been made, it is not yet time to escalate or take a stand beyond the initial refusal to go along with the pronouns.

After this he refused to follow the standard procedures and went in anyway, this got the school to escalate to the court who gave him an order not to go, which he disobeyed, and now he's in jail, and will be fired for not following school disciplinary procedure and court orders regardless of whatever the pronoun issue would have been.

Retard is apt.

[–]FlyingKangaroo[S] 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

Indeed, if he was smarter he wouldn’t break the court order. What is worrying though is that he will be only associated with the pronoun thing - I wonder if there is any in that school to protest too, though his example shows anyone opposing this by any reasons will be silenced.

[–]ClassroomPast6178 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Yeah, this wasn’t a dad breaking a court order for the sake of his child, this was a teacher going into school when the court has told him to stay away. Dumb.

[–]jet199 3 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

Or maybe he is smart and is trying to make himself into a martyr and get in the news.

[–]RedEyedWarriorThe Evil Cishomo 6 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 0 fun7 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

I live in Ireland. I can confirm that this shit has creeped into our society. A female friend of my sister's identifies as non-binary and my sister got irate when my parents referred to the friend as female.

[–]ClassroomPast6178 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

You have self-ID don’t you? I read that it was slipped though quietly whilst everyone was paying attention to the abortion debate.

[–]RedEyedWarriorThe Evil Cishomo 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

It happened during the gay marriage debate, right after the referendum was approved.

[–]thomastheglassexpert 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

This is the very first honest headline of this matter I've seen. All others screaming "man imprisoned for not calling a boy a girl" and quite no. He is held in contempt of violating a court order so off to hoosegow he goes. But that's also what ya get in IRELAND where speech is monitored and folks can land in jail for speaking what is considered by elite to be wrong-think. In the UK myself I'd be in prison for saying what I say.

[–][deleted] 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

He is doing that child a courtesy. Cutting of your reproductive organs is right where those people send these kids. Drugs is what they give those kids. They have all kinds of health problems.

I won’t read it, but apparently there is a sub on Reddit filled with transition regret, anger, and wanted revenge.

[–]IkeConn 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

All the good teachers are going to quit and I don't blame them.

[–]cant_even 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

A 'court' that would issue an order on any subject related to pandering to the pronoun-crowd, deserves nothing but "contempt".