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[–]alladd 16 insightful - 3 fun16 insightful - 2 fun17 insightful - 3 fun -  (1 child)

daily reminder that if gender stereotypes didn't exist you wouldn't be able to define "nonbinary"

so every time a person identifies as NB they're outing themselves as a sexist who needs things to stay the same so they can feel fucking special with their little made up words.

[–]clownworlddropout 8 insightful - 1 fun8 insightful - 0 fun9 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

All this gender nonsense relies on static definitions to exist, and all the brave "cisn'ts" out there rely on nothing but stereotypes to fabricate their phony new identities around. This shit is regressive, as well as being sexist and homophobic. How any of this is happening is mind boggling.

[–]LtGreenCo 13 insightful - 5 fun13 insightful - 4 fun14 insightful - 5 fun -  (2 children)

I saw an interview once with this woman where she talked about how she became queer.

She said (I'm paraphrasing) she was confused because her emotional connections were with women but her sexual fantasies were with men. Immediately in my head I'm thinking, "Okay, so you're a straight woman who likes hanging out with other women but likes getting ploughed by dicks in the bedroom... so... just like most women?". Nope, not the conclusion she drew. Instead she thought "I must be a gay boy trapped in a woman's body!"

[–]bopomofodojo 6 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 0 fun7 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

I'm a (actual, i.e. not a woketard) leftist, so I hate the idea of the Horseshoe theory a lot, but...

The woke crowd went serious Horseshoe with gender roles, and it's fucking absurd. In less than 10 years we went from the progressive wing saying that gender roles/stereotypes were a bad thing, that we didn't need them, and that you should just do you regardless of your sex (good) to basically saying that it's the gender roles/stereotypes that are somehow innate, and it's your biological sex (characteristics) that should change to match them.

It's like they literally jumped from one end of the horseshoe to the other. From completely anti-sterotype to completely pro-stereotype. In almost real time. And this switch is the only way that Enby, and recent non-"medicalized" trans doctrine makes sense. Because exactly as you say - if the stereotypes of "what makes a woman/man" are removed, the only thing that makes you a man/woman is... your genitals and chromosomes i.e. your biology.

As a GNC man I'll continue to think that, no, being "womanly" in some ways does not mean I should chop my dick off and take estrogen, or that I'm somehow "non-binary" whatever the fuck that is supposed to mean; it means I'm a biological male who isn't particularly interested in the gender stereotypes of "manliness". Not this regressive bullshit that passes for "progressivism" on the modern "left" and which has shit-all to do with economic issues at all.

[–]JerzyZulawski 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Awesome post

[–]Horror-Swordfish 8 insightful - 1 fun8 insightful - 0 fun9 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

On one hand, it's tough for me to really say that books involving masturbation scenes should be verboten in high schools; we read Faulkner's As I Lay Dying in high school, and that includes a masturbation scene. The difference, of course, is that Faulkner's scene was simply written in text and is not highly explicit, versus Kobabe's book, which is a graphic novel and includes actual depictions of some of these acts.

I mean, I'm sure that I'm not in the majority with this, but I was sexually active in high school and I know for a fact that many others were, as well, evidenced by the number of pregnant teens in my school, so it seems a little pearl-clutchy to be like "high school kids shouldn't know about or see anything about sex." That being said, in my mind, even an explicit romance novel would be more appropriate than Kobabe's graphic novel (and I don't think high school kids really need to be reading explicit romance novels).

If this was a case of "off-screen" sex or just a bare mention of masturbation, I'd be more inclined to say that I don't think Kobabe's book should be banned from schools, but it's a graphic novel. It's different. Even if the things that I've seen from it are literally the only two overtly sexual things in the whole book, saying that it's okay for minors is basically like giving a movie a PG-13 rating because it only has ONE explicit blowjob scene, and it's not a REAL blowjob scene because she's blowing a dildo. Like, give me a break.

I'm mostly disturbed by the fact that she's fighting this so hard, like it's a personal attack on her. That tells that she's more concerned about her material being in the hands and minds of tweens and teens more than it is about just having a book published and having her memoirs out there. It's not like people are trying to ban anyone from getting the book. You can still buy it if you're an adult and you are interested. She can still make plenty of money without predating on tweens and teens and confusing them even more than they already probably are during a confusing time in their life.

I think I'm done rambling now.

[–]ClassroomPast6178[S] 6 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 0 fun7 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

It was found in middle school libraries wasn’t it? I was under the impression that the problem really was it was being promoted as suitable for 12 year olds.

High schools and some middle school libraries around the country began stocking it. Currently, on Amazon, it’s listed as appropriate for ages 18 and up; on Barnes & Noble’s website, it’s recommended for readers 15 and older.

Yeah, it was in middle schools too

[–]Horror-Swordfish 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Yeah, that was also the part that bothered me in the article, where it said it had won an award for books "written for adults but with a special appeal to ages 12-18."

Look, I knew I was gay when I was very young, like elementary school age, even if I didn't have the word for it. Most of the boys "had crushes" on the girls and I "had crushes" on the other boys. I'm sure I'm not an edge case with that, but most gay people don't realize it until they're in their teens and hitting puberty. I didn't even actually understand about myself until high school.

I would like to think that the author's heart is in the right place, and that she's trying to help kids that went through whatever she went through (although maybe that's giving her too much credit), but I do also think that material like this, even if it wasn't explicit, only serves to confuse kids, especially gay kids and girls that think they can escape "the horros of womanhood" by simply saying magic words.

I have a niece and nephew that are rapidly approaching high school age, and I worry for them.

[–]Datachost 7 insightful - 2 fun7 insightful - 1 fun8 insightful - 2 fun -  (1 child)

The upside to this nonsense is that it's really great at peaking the general populace.

She wants to be called what?

Ey & Eir

The fuck is that?

They and their without "th", I guess

Well that's fucking dumb

Buddy, you don't know the half of it

[–]ClassroomPast6178[S] 6 insightful - 3 fun6 insightful - 2 fun7 insightful - 3 fun -  (0 children)

You’re right, breaking the language might be a step too far. Normies will do and put up with a lot of things out of kindness/politeness, but insist they do something that makes no sense and sounds stupid and they will resent it and begin to question it.

[–]ClassroomPast6178[S] 7 insightful - 1 fun7 insightful - 0 fun8 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

Maia Kobabe felt a wave of relief on Tuesday morning. Waking up on the West Coast, an early morning peek at emails revealed a Virginia court had dismissed a lawsuit seeking to label Kobabe’s book Gender Queer as obscene and restrict its sale to minors in Virginia. The suit was among the latest in an onslaught of challenges to Kobabe’s memoir, which was the most challenged book of 2021, according to the American Library Association (ALA).

In the 2019 illustrated graphic memoir, Kobabe, who uses e/em/eir pronouns, explores eir process of coming out as nonbinary and asexual. It was a 2020 winner of the ALA Alex Award, given to books written for adults that have special appeal for young adults 12-18, as well as the Stonewall Book Award-Israel Fishman Non-Fiction Honor Award for books with exceptional merit relating to the LGBTQ experience.

At the same time, the book has been heavily criticized by GOP lawmakers for its inclusion of some explicit images, including depictions of masturbation and some sexual experiences. Gender Queer has been banned in school districts and libraries across the country and served as a popular talking point for GOP lawmakers, such as South Carolina Gov. Henry McMaster, who called the work pornographic and said it likely meets “the statutory definition of obscenity.”

Reminder, this groomer’s book, Gender Queer, has featured here before, it’s the one with the cartoon fellatio, strap-on dildo use and the phrase “vagina slime”.

[–][deleted] 4 insightful - 6 fun4 insightful - 5 fun5 insightful - 6 fun -  (0 children)

When I was a kid decades ago we would call Virginia Slims, vagina slimes. There's nothing new under the sun. This whore needs to stop ripping off me and my childhood friends from 1985.

[–]FemaleIsntAFeeling 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

Okay, ignoring the main point of the article...

"In Virginia, Gender Queer and A Court of Mist and Fury—the sequel in a fantasy romance series by Sarah J. Maas—were challenged by lawyer and Virginia GOP State Delegate Tim Anderson on behalf of former congressional candidate Tommy Altman. The two Republicans asked the court to declare the books obscene and unfit for children, and prevent some private booksellers from selling the book to minors without first getting parental consent."

A Court of Mist and Fury, admittedly, is chock full of gratuitous sex scenes. To the point where you kind of want to skip over them to get back to the meat of the story. But the two characters involved are a straight married couple. Isn't male-female sex in the bounds of marriage exactly what American conservatives say is the only acceptable kind of sex? So what's the issue??

[–]LordoftheFliesAmeri-kin 2.0. Pronouns: MegaWhite/SuperStraight/UltraPatriarchy 4 insightful - 2 fun4 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

A Court of Mist and Fury, admittedly, is chock full of gratuitous sex scenes.

Pretty sure you just provided the reason why there's objections to this one.

[–]YJaewedwqewq 3 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 2 fun -  (1 child)

Isn't male-female sex in the bounds of marriage exactly what American conservatives say is the only acceptable kind of sex? So what's the issue??

Just because it's the only acceptable form of sex doesn't mean we should show it to kids. What's with the obsession homosexuals and liberals (of which I am almost certain you are both) have with indoctrinating kids into their death cult through sexual misconduct?

[–]FemaleIsntAFeeling 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

What's with the obsession homosexuals and liberals (of which I am almost certain you are both)

I'm a childfree centrist in a heterosexual marriage, so that's a complete failure for you. Perhaps try to use your brain rather than your biases?

[–]BioEssentialism 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

I legit don’t understand why they/them pronouns aren’t enough for these special snowflakes. They’re a perfectly valid gender-neutral alternative that covers basically everything, so why do they feel the need to constantly make up new pronouns like a bunch of fucking weirdos?

[–]ClassroomPast6178[S] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Autism is a hell of a drug.

Also, teenagers got in on it thinking it made them more interesting than being just a boring straight and it became a weird game in which they competed to come up with new ones. I mean, imagine being a kid raised in a culture that has done its best to demonise straight, white people…you don’t want to be the bad guy, you’ve done nothing wrong but you’re constantly being told the straight white people, especially men, are inherently and irredeemably sexist, racist, homophobic and transphobic and you’re not, so you must really be an asexual demigirl dragonkin with pika/pika/pikachu pronouns.