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[–]Q-Continuum-kin 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (5 children)

I've seen complaints from movie critics about how modern woke characters aren't allowed to have flaws. Even if they come off as insufferable, within the storyline the character is presented as something better than what the viewers see.

In Buffy the characters were clearly flawed.

[–]LyingSpirit472 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (4 children)

Well, of course. Remember. These woke characters are specifically built to woke people, and they WANT flat, bland characters who are only their identity.

The flatter a character is, the easier it is for the reader to project themselves onto the character and imagine THEY are the one in all these adventures, and Hollywood knows the Wokesters are such vapid, mindless narcissists they cannot empathize with anyone who's not themselves- so the flatness makes it "this character is like me. No, scratch that, this character is LITERALLY ME, and I'M the one having adventures with all these characters and doing these things and I'm special and not a pathetic loser, honest!"

[–]Q-Continuum-kin 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

The flatter a character is, the easier it is for the reader to project themselves onto the character and imagine THEY are the one in all these adventures,

Holy shit, i had never considered that but it is the exact same way they see men and women outside of movies too.

[–]LyingSpirit472 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

Of course, and Hollywood knew that "super flat characters work because the viewer/reader can project themselves onto them" is money; it's been said that Bella being so flat and generic is a big reason for "Twilight" being so successful for that exact reason.

[–]Q-Continuum-kin 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

Just anecdotally it seems like the type of person to obsess over twilight is the same type of person who now is susceptible to the whole social contagion aspect. That seems like a more female targeted character like "UwU that's me dating the sadboy glittering vampire."

If we bring radfems into this it also relates to porn. They have been talking about this for a long time but the idea of the porn actress being a flat character plays into the AGP version.

I can't really comment on the flatness of the characters in yaoi because I can't stand actually watching it even for the purpose of figuring out the mindset. All I so know is that it's all written by women so it makes a bit of sense that the fujoshis identify with the characters.

[–]LyingSpirit472 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

I thought yaoi was similar to why all-girl porn is popular before AGP, in "it's two sets of bodies to look at and imagine they're revving themselves up for you".