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[–]LyingSpirit472 15 insightful - 1 fun15 insightful - 0 fun16 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

IF you're right, the most logical answer:

All activists know- the second your group becomes equal, the gravy train is over, you'll stop getting Venmoed just for existing, and you have to go get a real job.

Gay marriage was seen as the "okay, show's over, go get a real job" moment, so the activists who refused to went a letter down to trans for "nope, still gotta fight, mom! Can't marry you now, honey, I'm a part of an important cause!"

[–]Datachost 19 insightful - 1 fun19 insightful - 0 fun20 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

I'd say there are a few different groups, each with different motivations. What you mentioned is definitely a part of it, keeping the gravy train of various charities going. Those people can go fuck themselves.

Then there are the "I'm alright, Jacks". The ones who really know it's bullshit, and will likely change their tune the second switching sides will get them more social credit. These are often married or elder gay men and lesbians. The ones that know chanting TWAW/TMAM won't ever affect them, because they'll never be expected to prove they believe it ("Sleep with a trans man? Oh, not me. I'm married"). They can also go fuck themselves

Then there are the ones who have for lack of a better word been hoodwinked. They've been told it's exactly the same as the fight for gay rights, and they haven't done enough reflection to realise it not only isn't, but is in fact an actively homophobic movement. The problem is when the T was first added, there was some legitimacy to it, since at the time most of the people we'd think of as old school transsexuals were gay men with internalised homophobia. And that's the image that comes to these people's minds when people say "It's exactly the same. They fought for your rights, dontcha know?"

And then there are the ones who are just plain scared to speak out. As things gradually move, we'll probably see more of these people speaking up. The problem is they'll also provide a convenient shield for the second group, who'll claim that they were also simply too scared.

[–]IridescentAnaconda 15 insightful - 1 fun15 insightful - 0 fun16 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

And then there are the ones who are just plain scared to speak out. As things gradually move, we'll probably see more of these people speaking up. The problem is they'll also provide a convenient shield for the second group, who'll claim that they were also simply too scared.

I don't know if this is a driving factor but I know it is at least part of the story. The reason r/LGBT is such a sickening hugbox is that if you contradict the narrative you'll find yourself quickly silenced and banned. I tried to say something recently on r/mpx about how gay men should be curtailing anonymous promiscuous sex and I was very quickly banned with a message telling me that I was "irresponsible" (for being a gay man who was providing "ammunition to the other side", although tbf I might have chosen my words more carefully when I wrote my initial comment).