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[–]Datachost 19 insightful - 1 fun19 insightful - 0 fun20 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

I'd say there are a few different groups, each with different motivations. What you mentioned is definitely a part of it, keeping the gravy train of various charities going. Those people can go fuck themselves.

Then there are the "I'm alright, Jacks". The ones who really know it's bullshit, and will likely change their tune the second switching sides will get them more social credit. These are often married or elder gay men and lesbians. The ones that know chanting TWAW/TMAM won't ever affect them, because they'll never be expected to prove they believe it ("Sleep with a trans man? Oh, not me. I'm married"). They can also go fuck themselves

Then there are the ones who have for lack of a better word been hoodwinked. They've been told it's exactly the same as the fight for gay rights, and they haven't done enough reflection to realise it not only isn't, but is in fact an actively homophobic movement. The problem is when the T was first added, there was some legitimacy to it, since at the time most of the people we'd think of as old school transsexuals were gay men with internalised homophobia. And that's the image that comes to these people's minds when people say "It's exactly the same. They fought for your rights, dontcha know?"

And then there are the ones who are just plain scared to speak out. As things gradually move, we'll probably see more of these people speaking up. The problem is they'll also provide a convenient shield for the second group, who'll claim that they were also simply too scared.

[–]IridescentAnaconda 15 insightful - 1 fun15 insightful - 0 fun16 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

And then there are the ones who are just plain scared to speak out. As things gradually move, we'll probably see more of these people speaking up. The problem is they'll also provide a convenient shield for the second group, who'll claim that they were also simply too scared.

I don't know if this is a driving factor but I know it is at least part of the story. The reason r/LGBT is such a sickening hugbox is that if you contradict the narrative you'll find yourself quickly silenced and banned. I tried to say something recently on r/mpx about how gay men should be curtailing anonymous promiscuous sex and I was very quickly banned with a message telling me that I was "irresponsible" (for being a gay man who was providing "ammunition to the other side", although tbf I might have chosen my words more carefully when I wrote my initial comment).

[–]LyingSpirit472 6 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 0 fun7 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

While you're right, the gravy train group is heading off the cliff for gay rights, because we're seeing the "savvy people trying to stay employed as activists who see trans rights go head to the "NO ONE CAN SUPPORT THIS" moment of MAPs.

The activists are happy- since no person with a soul can support pedophiles, they get to fight forever and never get a job. Every person who is a sane gay person? They WILL get brushback if this takes hold, and IT WON'T BE PRETTY.

[–]Newzok 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

That's my fear too.