Your honest opinion on transgenders?

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[–]PenseePansy 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (10 children)

Sexual attraction to both sexes. Not having sex with both sexes.

I mean, otherwise, if you're sexually-attracted to both sexes but only have sex with one, you wouldn't be bisexual. Which doesn't make much sense to me.

Also, having sex with someone doesn't mean that you're sexually-attracted to them. Sure, it should-- there ought to be no such thing as having sex you don't want, with people you don't want-- but that's not the world we live in. Unfortunately.

[–]usehernameredditgender 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (9 children)

How do you determine whether someone is sexually attracted to another person then?

[–]PenseePansy 3 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 2 fun -  (8 children)

Why would I determine it? Surely it's a matter of that "someone"'s feelings, not mine. Or anyone else's.

Do you really want the question of whether someone is attracted to a person decided by some third party? "I hereby find that you ARE attracted that dude over there! So don't argue! Go and mack on him forthwith! THAT'S AN ORDER"

[–]usehernameredditgender 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (7 children)

So we're not going to establish a consistent definition for the purpose of the discussion?

[–]PenseePansy 3 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 2 fun -  (6 children)

My definition is consistent. You just don't agree with it, apparently.

And if yours is "anyone who has experienced sex with both sexes, even if they're only attracted to one of them, or neither", then there's really nothing to discuss anyway.

[–]usehernameredditgender 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (5 children)

You provided a non-definition "that's for them to determine" ???

[–]PenseePansy 3 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 2 fun -  (4 children)

How is that a non-definition? I'm saying that the only person who knows whether you feel attracted to someone is you. Who else would it be? Me? The Toledo Mud Hens? The guy down the street?

I mean, maybe you don't know when you're attracted to someone, and have to ask somebody else to tell you whether you are or not. But that's definitely the exception to the rule.

[–]usehernameredditgender 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

Lol. What is attraction to a person and how is it separate from the desire to have sex with them? Define it. You're refusing to.

[–]PenseePansy 3 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 2 fun -  (2 children)

How am I refusing to define a distinction that I never made in the first place?

These things AREN'T separate. What IS separate: attraction to a person AND ACTUALLY HAVING SEX WITH A PERSON.

You can certainly have one without the other. Just ask all of the non-"gold star" gay men and lesbians out there. Or anyone, really, who-- for whatever reason-- ever had sex with somebody that they just weren't attracted to. Or are you saying that this never happens?

[–]usehernameredditgender 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

Just ask all of the non-"gold star" gay men and lesbians out there.

Right, which happens because of homophobia and they feel horrifically ill the entire time and basically rape themselves by willingly engaging in it. They're basically forced to do it. Gays and lesbians don't suddenly decide to go straight because their preferred option isn't around. So why would you call a straight guy who chooses to have sex with other males when there aren't any females around (or just gets a hate boner for feminine gays) heterosexual? The correct term would be bihet.

I just want to hear your definition of genuine attraction, because it seems to exclude people who willingly engage in same-sex sexual activity if they have a preference for the opposite sex. Or do you consider it all hate-fucking and does that fall outside of genuine attraction? I really want to know.