Your honest opinion on transgenders?

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[–]usehernameredditgender 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (7 children)

So we're not going to establish a consistent definition for the purpose of the discussion?

[–]PenseePansy 3 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 2 fun -  (6 children)

My definition is consistent. You just don't agree with it, apparently.

And if yours is "anyone who has experienced sex with both sexes, even if they're only attracted to one of them, or neither", then there's really nothing to discuss anyway.

[–]usehernameredditgender 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (5 children)

You provided a non-definition "that's for them to determine" ???

[–]PenseePansy 3 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 2 fun -  (4 children)

How is that a non-definition? I'm saying that the only person who knows whether you feel attracted to someone is you. Who else would it be? Me? The Toledo Mud Hens? The guy down the street?

I mean, maybe you don't know when you're attracted to someone, and have to ask somebody else to tell you whether you are or not. But that's definitely the exception to the rule.

[–]usehernameredditgender 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

Lol. What is attraction to a person and how is it separate from the desire to have sex with them? Define it. You're refusing to.

[–]PenseePansy 3 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 2 fun -  (2 children)

How am I refusing to define a distinction that I never made in the first place?

These things AREN'T separate. What IS separate: attraction to a person AND ACTUALLY HAVING SEX WITH A PERSON.

You can certainly have one without the other. Just ask all of the non-"gold star" gay men and lesbians out there. Or anyone, really, who-- for whatever reason-- ever had sex with somebody that they just weren't attracted to. Or are you saying that this never happens?

[–]usehernameredditgender 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

Just ask all of the non-"gold star" gay men and lesbians out there.

Right, which happens because of homophobia and they feel horrifically ill the entire time and basically rape themselves by willingly engaging in it. They're basically forced to do it. Gays and lesbians don't suddenly decide to go straight because their preferred option isn't around. So why would you call a straight guy who chooses to have sex with other males when there aren't any females around (or just gets a hate boner for feminine gays) heterosexual? The correct term would be bihet.

I just want to hear your definition of genuine attraction, because it seems to exclude people who willingly engage in same-sex sexual activity if they have a preference for the opposite sex. Or do you consider it all hate-fucking and does that fall outside of genuine attraction? I really want to know.

[–]PenseePansy 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Right, which happens because of homophobia and they feel horrifically ill the entire time and basically rape themselves by willingly engaging in it. They're basically forced to do it. Gays and lesbians don't suddenly decide to go straight because their preferred option isn't around. So why would you call a straight guy who chooses to have sex with other males when there aren't any females around (or just gets a hate boner for feminine gays) heterosexual? The correct term would be bihet.

And what makes you think that these straight guys aren't doing the same thing?

I think that you're missing something here. Remember, we're not talking about contemporary western cultures. We're talking about cultures where this is normalized. That straight men will have sex with each other until marriage. It's expected. It's assumed. It's what one DOES. Those are the rules. And, everywhere, most people follow the rules.

And, when you think about it, this is what sex has been like, in most places, for most of recorded history. You DON'T have sex with people because you're attracted to them. You have sex with people because you're told to. By your family (you'll marry whoever we choose for you, like it or not!), of course... but, in a larger sense, by your society. To the point where you may well lose track of what, and who, YOU actually want.

Sexuality is one of the basic things that societies control. And dictate. The details vary... but I'd say that self-rape is a common outcome. And not just for gay people.