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[–]ClassroomPast6178 27 insightful - 1 fun27 insightful - 0 fun28 insightful - 1 fun -  (15 children)

I think Ray Blanchard had it right with his characterisation of two types as that is not only supported by research, it also explains a lot of what we actually see when we look at the behaviour of MTF. I think the social contagion theory explains FTM, and fully believe that the numbers of FTM will be minuscule in ten years as the social contagion roulette moves on to other things (we’re already seeing socially contagious pseudo-Tourette’s syndrome taking off).

My major problem with the theory of transgenderism as supported by Stonewall et al is that it is entirely dependent on on unfalsifiable beliefs about the wrong mind being in born in the wrong body, which is remarkably similar to believing in a soul, which should never be necessary as an explanation for anything that impacts public policy especially in education and women’s rights. If they were confident in their beliefs they wouldn’t oppose any research that runs the risk of disproving them, but they aren’t and as such they move to block all attempts to research the subject and until recently that included capturing health outcome data (thankfully the NHS will now be collecting solid follow up on all trans patients for research purposes).

[–]jacques1102 23 insightful - 2 fun23 insightful - 1 fun24 insightful - 2 fun -  (13 children)

This is why i don't understand how left wing atheists can mock those that have a "Strong feeling"that there is a God because everything "feels"like it was design, but in the same breath believe a guy that thinks he's a woman really is one because he "feels"like he's one.It doesn't make sense because if transgenders were really born in the wrong body then it'd be proof of a soul because there's no way a genetic mutation can give someone the wrong brain.

[–][deleted] 14 insightful - 7 fun14 insightful - 6 fun15 insightful - 7 fun -  (3 children)

Have an ex-friend who was a self-proclaimed """skeptic""", and believed that the notion of god is utterly ridiculous but of COURSE the transgenders are heckin' valid and don't you dare question them!!

[–]Datachost 12 insightful - 1 fun12 insightful - 0 fun13 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

The early 00s crop of skeptics can essentially be split into two camps, those who were skeptics out of a sense of genuine conviction and those who went along with it, because it was the liberal position at the time. People like Dawkins can be put into the first camp, the second camp is people like Dillahunty, Myers, etc.

[–]ClassroomPast6178 8 insightful - 1 fun8 insightful - 0 fun9 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Matt Dillahunty and PZ Myers are two of the most annoying people.

Both of them were desperate to ride the coattails of Dawkins, Dennet, Hitchens and Harris, but I suspect when it comes to Myers he’s just not clever enough to make it in Dawkins’ academic footsteps and Dillahunty didn’t know how to deal with his new found fame and adoring fans and so threw his lot in with Atheism+.

It’s a shame, the early days of Dillahunty’s show were entertaining and informative, as were the early days of Pharyngula (before the Thunderf00t incident, which was hilarious).

[–]RedEyedWarriorThe Evil Cishomo 7 insightful - 2 fun7 insightful - 1 fun8 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

I used to be a "skeptic". These people are pathetic. The Skeptic CommunityTM on YouTube is dead and gone because they kept doxxing each other and exposing their fetishises to their audiences. For instance, I was a fan of Jeff Holiday until he doxxed people, and heard that he has a dildo collection in sight of his step son and let’s his wife cheat on him with another woman.

[–]SMCAB 13 insightful - 2 fun13 insightful - 1 fun14 insightful - 2 fun -  (7 children)

Left wing is synonymous with hypocrisy and being disengenious. Their entire way of thinking is based on heartstrings, which, for all intents and purposes, usually lead to bad decision making. I don't know many leftists that can interject logical thinking into their emotional decisions.

[–]ClassroomPast6178 18 insightful - 1 fun18 insightful - 0 fun19 insightful - 1 fun -  (6 children)

Oh do fuck off. It’s entirely possible to be a rational lefty and believe in evidence-based policy. Just because the fringes of the left and right have lost their bloody minds doesn’t mean that the moderates of both sides have too.

There’s plenty of irrational shit on the right.

[–]RedEyedWarriorThe Evil Cishomo 11 insightful - 1 fun11 insightful - 0 fun12 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

There’s plenty of irrational shit on the right.

As a right winger, I can confirm this. A lot of right wingers are white supremacists. Nothing wrong with preferring your own race. However, there is everything wrong with believing that a certain race is the best race on the planet, when that particular race consists of the worst offenders of supporting neoliberalism, transgender ideology and degeneracy. Support for transgenderism is highest among white liberals. And white liberals are the most anti-white group of people on the planet. Not as obnoxious as Asian liberals or black supremacists, but white liberals are certainly the biggest threats. I cannot respect a race when a large segment of its population hates its own race.

Also, a lot of right wingers are against lockdowns and vaccine mandates. And I agree with them. Lockdowns are inhumane, and people should have a right to refuse medicine or products they do not want. But a lot of these same right wingers support the police. Even though the police enforced lockdowns and mask mandates. Even though police have arrested people for criticising liberal ideologies in the UK, Germany, France and Canada. Even though the police separate divorced fathers from their children. You don’t have to hate the police, because there are a lot of good cops out there. But a lot of cops are horrible people, and a lot of other cops are pathetic. I’m not going to blindly back the blue just because leftists hate them.

And crazy as the left are, there are a lot of sane leftists out there. In fact, the left were the sane ones when George W Bush was in power, while the right were losing their minds.

[–][deleted] 10 insightful - 1 fun10 insightful - 0 fun11 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

There’s plenty of irrational shit on the right.

Totally agree with you there.

It’s entirely possible to be a rational lefty and believe in evidence-based policy.

I'm not so sure about that. The only people I know who are still liberals don't follow multiple news sources. They only get the liberal version of facts, like with the "Don't Say Gay Bill." Garbage In, Garbage out. Their framework of reality is at least partially based on propaganda.

[–]Newzok 9 insightful - 1 fun9 insightful - 0 fun10 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

I think the point he's making is that left is not the same as liberal. There's a false dichotomy there and the media seems to cater to partisan subjects rather than actual political issues, whipping everyone up into a frenzy rather than finding common ground. I think a lot of us here can be described as anti-woke left, center-right or some other nuanced leaning.

[–][deleted] 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

I think the point he's making is that left is not the same as liberal

u/Hongkongphooey makes that argument too. I respect it. I don't mean to be patronizing, but I think that's just part of the journey of realizing liberal ideology is what lead to the left, and is part of the problem. Much in the same way everyone in TiA can agree TRAs are a problem, but still support LGB.

I think a lot of us here can be described as anti-woke left, center-right or some other nuanced leaning.

That describes most of Saidit even though tihs site probably seems super right wing coming off Reddit so recently.

[–]SMCAB 7 insightful - 5 fun7 insightful - 4 fun8 insightful - 5 fun -  (0 children)

When you're generalizing, which I was, everything I said was correct.

And you can fuck off too, kindly.

[–][deleted] 7 insightful - 1 fun7 insightful - 0 fun8 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Exactly.

[–]RedEyedWarriorThe Evil Cishomo 9 insightful - 1 fun9 insightful - 0 fun10 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Because a lot of left wing atheists are not really atheist. They’re just a group of pathetic fedora wearers who want to make fun of Christians, and occasionally Muslims as well, when they’re not simping for Islam. Muslims would throw stones at those fedora wearers because Muslims don’t play with that shit. Anyway, those fedora wearers follow woke cults, so they do believe in a godless religion of sorts.

[–]SaidOverRed 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Ironic, don't you think, that those who do follow that yuck 'soul' thing and follow Jesus just don't worry about that whole 'born in the wrong body' nonsense. But those who pass by those deep ideas end up with these strange mutilating beliefs...