A gaming convention taking place in Indiana is having a "BIPOC Lounge" - an exclusive area which only BIPOC attendees can use.

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[–]LordoftheFliesAmeri-kin 2.0. Pronouns: MegaWhite/SuperStraight/UltraPatriarchy 17 insightful - 4 fun17 insightful - 3 fun18 insightful - 4 fun -  (12 children)

"Segregation is wrong, m'kay? But only when those bad people do it. When we do it, it's creating safe spaces for marginalized identities, and that's a-okay!"

Fuck the muppets who do this, fuck the muppets who support this, and especially fuck the muppets who actually make use of such spaces. You're all conspiring, either willfully or in blissful ignorance, to set back civil rights and race relations by decades, and I'm going to laugh my ass off when the consequences of that shit finally come home to roost.

Edit: It occurs to me that, if they had the brains and the patience to do it right, white supremacists--by which I mean the real ones, not the "he didn't agree me with me, so he must be one" kind--could totally use shit like this for themselves, especially business and event owners. Just set up BIPOC/LGBTrashmafia spaces off to the side and funnel anyone that they don't want in their spots into the "safe spaces."

[–]IridescentAnaconda 4 insightful - 4 fun4 insightful - 3 fun5 insightful - 4 fun -  (0 children)

What makes you think that's not what's really going on?

[–]BioEssentialism 3 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 2 fun -  (10 children)

"Segregation is wrong, m'kay? But only when those bad people do it. When we do it, it's creating safe spaces for marginalized identities, and that's a-okay!"

mfw you realize the entire state of Israel is this exact woke “safe space” mentality taken to it’s extreme.

[–]LordoftheFliesAmeri-kin 2.0. Pronouns: MegaWhite/SuperStraight/UltraPatriarchy 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (9 children)

If you point that out to wokies in general, but the anti-Jew/anti-Israel ones especially, they'll go through some truly amazing mental contortions to deny it (usually by playing the "nationalism is bad, m'kay" card).

[–]BioEssentialism 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (8 children)

Do you not agree it’s the exact same mentality Israel is founded on though?

[–]LordoftheFliesAmeri-kin 2.0. Pronouns: MegaWhite/SuperStraight/UltraPatriarchy 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (7 children)

Founded on? No. That's pretty much a direct, and entirely logical, response to the rest of the world (but Europe particularly) dumping on them whenever it was convenient to do. Basically, "screw you guys, I'm going home," but writ large. IMO, quite different from a bunch of emotionally fragile snowflakes fucking off into an echo chamber where they can circlejerk each other uninterrupted.

It could be argued that it's become the most extreme expression of the safe space concept from that point. But by that metric, any country with strong nationalist sentiment and strict regulations on who they let in qualifies.

[–]BioEssentialism 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (6 children)

How was it not literally founded on the concept when it’s entire point was to provide a “safe space” for Jews from antisemitism?

[–]LordoftheFliesAmeri-kin 2.0. Pronouns: MegaWhite/SuperStraight/UltraPatriarchy 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

As per my edited comment, any country could be considered a "safe space" if you wanted to apply that term, because pretty much all of them fit the concept, to a greater or lesser degree. It's not just Israel; America? Safe space for Puritans. Liberia? Safe space for ex-slaves. Taiwan? Safe space for non-commie Chinese. Those are just three off of the top of my head.

[–]BioEssentialism 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

Israel’s the only country in the world that was founded as a safe space for a particular race/ethnicity though and is also the only country to feel threatened by any demographic growth of another people and takes active measures to prevent that so that it forever remains a largely exclusive Jewish “safe space”. (Hence why a one-state solution where they give the Palestinian refugees the Right Of Return is unnegotiable for them)

Founded on? No. That's pretty much a direct, and entirely logical, response to the rest of the world (but Europe particularly) dumping on them whenever it was convenient to do. Basically, "screw you guys, I'm going home," but writ large. IMO, quite different from a bunch of emotionally fragile snowflakes fucking off into an echo chamber where they can circlejerk each other uninterrupted.

By that logic any one race that experiences a significant amount of racism deserves their own segregated safe space, so I guess now the BIPOC can demand their very own state if they whine hard enough to the UN for it.

We live in the real world though and sometimes you just gotta suck it up, because that’s what being part of a pluralistic, democratic society is all about.

Self-imposed segregated “safe spaces” are never logical or a good idea, regardless of whether they take the form of a small closed off area on a college campus/convention center or an entire country.

[–]ZenBeetle 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

Israel’s the only country in the world that was founded as a safe space for a particular race/ethnicity though

South Sudan or Kosovo, anyone?

[–]BioEssentialism 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

I was not aware those were safe-space specific founded countries, huh… TIL I guess.

[–]ZenBeetle 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

it’s entire point was to provide a “safe space” for Jews from antisemitism?

That's a central function of Israel, sure, but, the cornerstone of Zionism is that Jews are a nation and have a territorial claim to their ancestral homeland. Whether you think that's a compelling reason enough for Israel to exist is up to you.

[–]BioEssentialism 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

That's a central function of Israel, sure, but, the cornerstone of Zionism is that Jews are a nation and have a territorial claim to their ancestral homeland.

Nah it’s still ultimately about fragile woketard safe-space whining. After all the original founder of Zionism Herzl himself didn’t even originally consider Israel/Palestine as an option, he was hoping to get any deal to where the Jews could fuck off into their own self-imposed segregated ghetto country, hell at one point he was even considering Uganda as an option!

If it was just about establishing indigenous ancestral and nation claims why have we yet to see Native American tribes demand the whole of the United States be given back to then? Why are they simply satisfied with having certain areas/reservations in which they have territorial claim yet aren’t entitled enough to demand a whole self-segregated country? I’ll tell you why, it’s because they have yet to go full woke. Most sane, non-woke people understand that no one is “oppressed” or “marginalized” enough to entitle them to their very own segregated “safe-space” small area, let alone an entire country! Like holy shit imagine the levels of entitlement you have to have for that.

[–]ClassroomPast6178 12 insightful - 1 fun12 insightful - 0 fun13 insightful - 1 fun -  (4 children)

GenCon has fallen, but did it fall now or has it been happening for a while? It was always the mythical event that 1989/90 me had read about but had no chance of ever attending.

The whole tabletop gaming/RPG market has bent the knee over the past decade in an attempt to appease the cunts who bullied those of us who partook in the past time before it became fashionable. They couldn’t just join in with the game, no, they had to ruin the thing I loved as a teenager and when the next in thing rolls around they’ll move on and leave the damage in their wake.

Fuck these people.

[–]TurkishCoffee 6 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 0 fun7 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

TTRPG shit went woke years ago, most of the big names and the smaller ones who work in the industry are insufferably woke, and all the cons went woke awhile ago.

Trust me, there's more men in dresses, antifa wannabe rioters, and cancel culture karens in TTRPG right now than almost anywhere.

As usual, back in the day you found your nerd crew and ran your games the way you wanted. Because you didn't wanna be bullied. 30 years later, you find your ned crew and run your games the way you want and orcs can be evil without being racist, but just shut up about it and dont let the bullies find out.

[–]LordoftheFliesAmeri-kin 2.0. Pronouns: MegaWhite/SuperStraight/UltraPatriarchy 5 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 0 fun6 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

I've seen people speculate that the reason for the increase in wokies in the TTRG scene is in part because, as an "outsider" hobby, the participants are more open to non-standard beliefs and ideologies. It makes them fertile ground, so to speak, for recruiting to the cause (whatever that may be).

And then, once they get a taste of what being on the "right side of history" can be like--being able to cancel people that they don't like, being able to change language and all the rest--they start to live out (consciously or subconsciously) the fantasy of being the ones putting the boot to people for not being part of the new in-crowd.

Don't know if any of that speculation is accurate, but it would explain a lot if it is.

[–]TurkishCoffee 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

I think they may be onto something. As a lot of subcultures that are "outsider" but dont have a reason to have an insulation layer so to speak, have become very very woke.

Pagan circles, for instance, are incredibly woke in often contradictory ways. LGB became LGBTQIAA whatever the fuck. TTRPG got woke. moves were made in other hobbies but it seemed to cause splits/splinters in some of them and in others it just died out entirely. Some of that seems to fall along lines of was it woman-dominated (they'd bend) or male dominated (they'd tell you fuck off), but that's a trend not a rule.

I'm not sure how much it's the original outcasts getting a taste of power though. a lot of the "older" members of hobbies quietly stepped back or went their own ways. the old guard got moved out for a lot of late teens, early 20 wokesters, so i guess that's gen Z? (I'm elder millenial and my peers definitely split among being woke, vs just exiting.) I suspect a little of it is that, but a lot of it is the usual kids who would have otherwise been neither nerdy nor popular walking in and realizing they can assume control. At least in TTRPG a lot of them have no idea the history of the thing they've taken over or some of the richness they've discarded. In paganism they have no idea it's not a trend to wear the right symbols and look cool and that people actually used to take "witch" as a part of a serious spiritual and religious path (and of course there were always nutters. but that's true of all things). The discussions that used to happen in those circles have died becuase "cultural appropriation"..which is fine if it's the right culture apparently. It's a load of postmodern gobbledygook.

On the other hand, i've noticed subcultures who had a reason to gate keep to begin with, seem to be faring better. Ie groups of people with hobbies or beliefs that were, and still are, snubbed by the mainstream/pop culture and have always been wary of letting just any body in seem to have managed to avoid the "woke" infiltration taking over.

Makes me a big believer in gatekeeping to be honest.

[–]LordoftheFliesAmeri-kin 2.0. Pronouns: MegaWhite/SuperStraight/UltraPatriarchy 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Anyone crying about gatekeeping is exactly the sort of person that policy was meant to be used against, in my opinion.

[–]r2d2_21 8 insightful - 3 fun8 insightful - 2 fun9 insightful - 3 fun -  (2 children)

Do they check your papers at the entrance? Do they hold a card with different skin tones like with Peter Griffin? What is the process here?

[–]LordoftheFliesAmeri-kin 2.0. Pronouns: MegaWhite/SuperStraight/UltraPatriarchy 7 insightful - 4 fun7 insightful - 3 fun8 insightful - 4 fun -  (0 children)

Do they hold a card with different skin tones like with Peter Griffin?

sad Talcum X noises

[–]Alienhunter糞大名 4 insightful - 2 fun4 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

If they do anything to enforce it they open themselves up for lawsuits.

"Sorry sir this area is for people of color only"

"white is a color."

[–]MyLongestJourney 7 insightful - 1 fun7 insightful - 0 fun8 insightful - 1 fun -  (4 children)

Woke segregation ... What could go wrong...

[–]Alienhunter糞大名 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

Lawsuits would be my guess. I'm pretty sure this sort of thing violates anti-discrimination law somewhere. Just gotta have people sue for it. If nobody pushes back it won't go away.

[–]LyingSpirit472 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

Lawsuits would be unlikely to succeed in these cases: Unless someone can conclusively prove, beyond a shadow of a doubt, that these safe spaces have something that the non-segregated spaces does not have in turn or better. [That's why segregation was ended- not because it was segregated, but because they could prove the school districts funded the whites-only schools and left the black-only schools to rot.]

The real lawsuits to fight are the job listings that openly say "we want [x] group, anyone else need not apply."

[–]Alienhunter糞大名 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Doubt it, denying access to public accomodations based solely on race is illegal in Indiana. Public accomodations defined as anything open to the general public.

Does this count? Are they using public buildings at a convention center. I think this is on very Shakey legal ground.

Plus you can always sue for emotional damage. I was denied entry because of my skin color and it hurt my feelings so I need 1,000,000 dollars.

I identify as the P in BIPOC

[–]BioEssentialism 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Woke segregation ... What could go wrong...

I don’t know, just ask Israel!

[–]Femaleisnthateful 5 insightful - 2 fun5 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 2 fun -  (2 children)

Ironic that this is what passes for 'inclusion'. Similarly, CNN had an article a few days ago about an LGBT#%*+ town somewhere in the US. They quoted a gay bar owner describing how he put the progress flag up to deter anyone who wasn't politically aligned (I don't remember his exact wording). Because they're so inclusive.

[–]Haylstorm 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Seems like a good idea. Lets you avoid the nutters inside.

If anything it seems like more of a problem when the crazies decide to shoot somewhere up, like that guy in Norway did not long ago.

[–]Alienhunter糞大名 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Gonna be the troubles soon with separate pubs for each side of the political aisle.

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    [–]brimshaeBased Woodchipper Merchant 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (4 children)

    It used to be. When I went there forever ago they even had those giant Mechwarrrior pods. If you get a chance I highly suggest giving them a go.

    [–]LordoftheFliesAmeri-kin 2.0. Pronouns: MegaWhite/SuperStraight/UltraPatriarchy 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

    those giant Mechwarrrior pods.

    Way to date yourself, lol, those things haven't been around in forever. Shit, I don't know if they even have any of them left functional.

    [–]brimshaeBased Woodchipper Merchant 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

    Way to date yourself, lol,

    Hey, I'm a cheap date and I put out.

    [–]LordoftheFliesAmeri-kin 2.0. Pronouns: MegaWhite/SuperStraight/UltraPatriarchy 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

    Not quite how I meant it, but I'll keep that mind!

    [–][deleted] 4 insightful - 2 fun4 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

    I don't see problem.

    Crazies voluntary segregate themselves from the rest so normal people don't have to ineract with them and can just enjoy the convention in peace, it's a win in my opininon.

    [–]brimshaeBased Woodchipper Merchant 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

    1: What about people who are transracial?

    2: Would they an white South Africans? I bet Elon Musk could have a field day with that.

    3: I'm gonna go melt my old-ass GenCon dice down to slag now, maybe.

    [–]SJCringe 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

    On the other hand, this means that if Saira Rao goes to this convention, she’ll do her “all whiteys are evul!” rants in her special lounge, not in the general area. I can get behind that!

    [–]jet199 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

    Open a "showered today" exclusive lounge in competition. See which wins.

    [–][deleted] 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (6 children)

    So now D&D has gone woke? Lovely. When is this shit gonna end? GenCon is the biggest gaming convention in the US.

    [–]GrilledTofuIdentifying as a block of tofu[S] 6 insightful - 2 fun6 insightful - 1 fun7 insightful - 2 fun -  (5 children)

    Unfortunately D&D gone woke for a while now, about 1-2 years at least.

    [–]KaijuJay 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

    What did Dnd go woke on? I recently got into it and everything seems normal to me.

    [–]Alienhunter糞大名 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

    Most of the pop culture shit is normal. There's just this woke wing of it they throw a bone to and dog whistle for on occasion. You'll mostly be blissfully unaware of it if you don't care as the algorithms target specifically towards your own interests.

    Once the algorithms have you pegged as someone who is interested in woke shit though you'll get advertised too relentlessly.

    It's the same with video games, most games don't have much woke shit because it will tank sales if it's too obvious. Journalism goes on constantly about it though. Its similar to the Disney model. Through some gay tokenism into your movie easily edited out, market the shit out of it to get the woke audience. Make up some fake controversy surrounding it to play the negative rage angle.

    "Racists hate XYZ"

    "Well I'm not a racist I'll definitely need to see XYZ".

    [–]GrilledTofuIdentifying as a block of tofu[S] 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

    They disvowed the original creator, called orcs a representation of black people, had this weird slice of life barista version and so on. A lot of behind the scenes drama

    https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=nzCRuQM1zOs

    [–][deleted] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

    So depressing. I was gamer in the 80s when it was still sane.

    [–]Dirkpytt 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

    Critical Role helped speed up the process too

    [–][deleted] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

    BIPOC

    Is that anything like a BIPER?

    [–]BoxerFrogs 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

    I hear they have their own water fountain too. Yknow, for inclusion.