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[–]ClassroomPast6178 13 insightful - 4 fun13 insightful - 3 fun14 insightful - 4 fun -  (16 children)

It’s nothing to do with the oil used in painting, they’re the same cunts who were gluing themselves to roads and zip tying themselves to goal posts during EPL matches (and risking actually being murdered by the fans). They’re just trying to get the media coverage for their doomsday cult Extinction Rebellion and it’s more extreme spin offs.

If you want to see what the general public actually thinks of these twats watch what happens when they blockaded a tube train at rush hour in East London.

They’re the cunts who think Greta Thunberg is a totally rational person and that climate change is suddenly a “Climate Crisis” and we all need to return to monke for reals. They’d happily see millions starve and freeze in order to reach “Net Zero”, they’re what happens when religious zealots lose their religion and latch onto another cause.

[–]GrilledTofuIdentifying as a block of tofu[S] 3 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 2 fun -  (15 children)

It’s nothing to do with the oil used in painting, they’re the same cunts who were gluing themselves to roads and zip tying themselves to goal posts during EPL matches (and risking actually being murdered by the fans).

Man I have mixed feelings. On one hand, it's less stupid than I thought. On the other hand, it's twice as stupid in a different direction.

I'm so happy to see people fighting back in that youtube there. I thought the sheep power is stronk. I just had people tell me that they're glad that they're not having children because power plants in USA no longer need to go through some enviromental stuff without legislation.

[–]ClassroomPast6178 9 insightful - 2 fun9 insightful - 1 fun10 insightful - 2 fun -  (11 children)

I’m actually sympathetic to their cause, I think we should adopt new technologies and nuclear power to reduce our reliance on fossil fuels and I think that it is probably a good idea to put limits on the amount of carbon dioxide that we release into the air. However, where I consider my beliefs on the matter the environmentalist equivalent of the Church of England/Presbyterians, they’ve gone full ISIS/Al-Qaeda and are busy beheading charity workers and missionaries.

They were unrepentant about blocking ambulances, carrying emergency patients or attending scenes under blue lights and sirens, when they were blocking roads.

[–]slavdude0 7 insightful - 2 fun7 insightful - 1 fun8 insightful - 2 fun -  (5 children)

That's the issue. Am I against "free" and "clean" energy? Fuck no. If solar panels were incredibly effective and we had reliable batteries with storage big enough to be sustainable throughout whole year? Fuck yeah.

But we don't. Solar and wind energy can be a supplementary source of energy and not the main one, because at this point it's vastly unreliable.

Same with cars. I'm absolutely not against EVs. But untill I can fill them as quickly as I can fill gas one? Fuck that.

[–]bopomofodojo 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (4 children)

Same with cars. I'm absolutely not against EVs. But untill I can fill them as quickly as I can fill gas one? Fuck that.

The environmental destruction caused by EV manufacture is actually immense too.

Petrol engines are simple to design and build out of materials that are nearly everywhere - steel, rubber, porcelain. But when you use them, you put out CO2, CO, NOx, and various particulates. They are dirty at time of use, which is something people see and hear about constantly.

EVs, on the other hand, are incredibly intensive and dirty to produce. Huge amounts of rare earth minerals are required to produce the various components (2-3x as much as a modern gas vehicle), Lithium for the battery which is mostly mined in poor countries with intensive strip mining, etc. It is clean at time of use though, which makes the people driving them feel warm and fuzzy inside, because they do not have to think about how polluting their production is. And not to mention that, while it is more efficient if you have 1 giant fossil plant making electricity to power 1000 cars, it's still producing emissions regardless - only with clean reliable baseload (nuclear) or well-timed renewables (charging while they are producing) can EVs be a true net zero solution. They just trade one set of problems for another.

On the transportation front, the actual solution for average people is public transit, walkable neighborhoods, and the elimination of single-car dependence for most people. For goods transport, it's electric trucks, bulk hauling (mostly rail), electric or hybrid rail locomotives, and nuclear-powered ships. But, transportation is only a fraction of the total carbon emissions globally; there's several other industries that need to change significantly (agriculture being one, GMOs are a must) to get to net zero.

But all of this interconnected tapestry of causal effects and competing interests is too much for the sort of people who are attracted to Extinction Rebellion, Greenpeace, and the like. They see it in simple terms, "do X = save the world", and they - as others have said - take this ignorant oversimplification of reality with the confidence of a religious zealot. They hurt the cause more than they help in nearly every way by galvanizing support against anything they say even when it does happen to be true. They want primitivism - and the horrors that would bring - because that's the simple answer to them, and they don't care how many (poor) people suffer or die to bring it about.

[–]slavdude0 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

They see it in simple terms, "do X = save the world"

100%

They want primitivism - and the horrors that would bring

They THINK they do, because they believe in sustainability of their solutions. Give em half a year with checkered energy distribution, constant pauses in their pumpkin spice latte distribution, and they will crumble.

[–]bopomofodojo 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Oh, absolutely - most of them are comfortable, middle- to upper-middle-class people who have no idea what living in a primitive society would entail. They're delusional.

[–]On_WheelsWe need to secure the existence of the gay race 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

I did have a suspicion EV weren't nearly as clean as commercials made it out to be. Thanks for explaining the environmental costs behind them, I have a suspicion nuclear would be a cleaner source of energy compared to fossil fuels, while it does produce waste this waste can be contained and kept away, compared to the gases produced by fossil fuel which are inevitably released into the atmosphere.

I got curious when you mentioned transportation being a fraction of global carbon emissions, according to Our World in Data, both industry and building account each for more emissions than transport, and Livestock & Manure account for more than non-road transport combined.

[–]bopomofodojo 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

I got curious when you mentioned transportation being a fraction of global carbon emissions, according to Our World in Data, both industry and building account each for more emissions than transport, and Livestock & Manure account for more than non-road transport combined.

That is indeed precisely what I meant - changing transportation alone would only be a fraction of the total CO2 emissions. It's not negligibly small (IIRC 5-10%?), but it's not the sort of thing that "fixes the environment" alone. The Livestock aspect is why I mention agriculture being one industry that must change, because current farming practices are the single biggest driver of CO2 (and other GHG emissions like methane). I love my beef, but if I have to give it up for the sake of literally saving the planet, small price to pay.

I did have a suspicion EV weren't nearly as clean as commercials made it out to be. Thanks for explaining the environmental costs behind them, I have a suspicion nuclear would be a cleaner source of energy compared to fossil fuels, while it does produce waste this waste can be contained and kept away, compared to the gases produced by fossil fuel which are inevitably released into the atmosphere.

100% yes. Nuclear is, objectively, the cleanest, safest, and most long-term viable energy source we have. The waste being talked about is actually miniscule - on the order of tons per year globally, rather than mega- or giga-tons of CO2. Said waste can be reprocessed to extract more viable fuel leaving mere pounds of actual, dangerous waste. And that waste can be locked in containers and buried in concrete easily. The problem is people have imagined boogeymen in their heads about this entire process, thinking that "nuclear waste" means leaking barrels of green sludge a la the Simpsons and Greenpeace propaganda, rather than what it really is (hard, ceramic materials encased in lead and concrete); or that we should really be worrying about hypothetical "10,000 year in the future" people "digging it up" and being too dumb to know it's radioactive waste, like this is an actual reasonable concern (1, they won't if you put it in a hole, and 2, most of the really dangerous fission products have half-lives on the order of decades, not millennia). The entire push against nuclear that started in the '70's was borne entirely out of irrational fear and ignorance and continues to be promulgated to this day. And that's just one aspect of the nuclear ignorance - there's plenty of other aspects too. Thankfully numerous governments are once again ignoring the loud voices and getting back on track with an actual solution to the climate crisis. And ironically it seems to be conservative governments doing it.

[–]GrilledTofuIdentifying as a block of tofu[S] 7 insightful - 2 fun7 insightful - 1 fun8 insightful - 2 fun -  (2 children)

they’ve gone full ISIS/Al-Qaeda

Pretty much this. To make things worse, their demands would kill the majority of the world population (like 70-90 percent) through famine, since the most affected sector would be agriculture.

[–]ClassroomPast6178 5 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 0 fun6 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

Yeah this is the same lot that has blocked the introduction of GMOs in Europe despite the ability of GMO crops to reduce the amount of pesticides required and none of the stories they tell coming true in the countries that have allowed GMO crops. If they had been as influential as they are now at the height of the green revolution then millions would still be dying in yearly famines across Africa and Asia. These people are dangerous, and what’s scary is that like the TRAs they currently have a lot of political clout.

[–]Q-Continuum-kin 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

The venn diagram of people who don't understand what GMOs are probably fully contains anti GMO activists and politicians.

[–]Account7777777 5 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 0 fun6 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Part of the problem is these people don’t advocate for the use of nuclear and other “green” techs. In fact most environmentalist groups like extinction rebellion are explicitly against nuclear power. They aren’t interested in finding any solution that isn’t government regulation. That’s always their solution to these problems with no thought to the consequences of those regulations.

[–]Alienhunter糞大名 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

I'm sympathetic to the cause but not these cunts. You're going to block the fucking tube? What you want everyone to take a fucking cab and pollute more you absolute dumb fuck. The tube is already pretty much green transport. What kind of fucking optics you trying to pull here? You really care that much how bout you go and take your emissions to zero by jumping in front of the incoming tube and making a real impact. None of this shit.

This makes the problem worse it alienates normal people.

[–]LyingSpirit472 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

I just had people tell me that they're glad that they're not having children because power plants in USA no longer need to go through some enviromental stuff without legislation.

Yeah, I never see the point of the sheep power of "don't have kids because of environmental reasons", since "if the people who want to help the environment don't have kids, only the people who believe climate change is a lib'rul plot to take their pickup truck will have kids, and teach their kids same."

[–]GrilledTofuIdentifying as a block of tofu[S] 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

They also believe that there's no future for their children, and it's better to not bring them into the world.

lib'rul plot to take their pickup truck will have kids, and teach their kids same.

Huh, that's quite logical.

[–]slavdude0 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

But that is good. You don't want those people to reproduce and create retarded copies of themselves.

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    [–]GrilledTofuIdentifying as a block of tofu[S] 3 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

    imagine the shitstorm if they took out a knife and started cutting the paintings

    [–]GrilledTofuIdentifying as a block of tofu[S] 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

    You can check out more of this insanity in this video

    Also Oil Paint information

    The earliest and still most commonly used vehicle is linseed oil, pressed from the seed of the flax plant. Modern processes use heat or steam to produce refined varieties of oil with fewer impurities, but many artists prefer cold-pressed oils. Other vegetable oils such as hemp, poppy seed, walnut, sunflower, safflower, and soybean oils may be used as alternatives to linseed oil for a variety of reasons. For example, safflower and poppy oils are paler than linseed oil and allow for more vibrant whites straight from the tube.

    Sometimes turpentine is used to thin the oils. However, the core components are always vegetable oil. They're protesting about petrol oil on a painting made from vegetable oil.

    [–]Haylstorm 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

    At least this is less bad than them doing it at the F1. Fucking idiots could've got splattered and traumatised people.

    [–]SaidOverRed 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

    Shame. We almost got some good footage there...

    [–]Athelhilda4 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

    Oil paintings are not made from actual oil (I think). What’s next, are they going to protest supermarkets until they stop selling olive oil?

    [–]hfxB0oyADon't piss on my head & tell me it's raining. 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

    Our world is growing more retarded by the day. I hope the authorities unglued them with no solvent and a hard yank.

    [–]JulienMayfair 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

    Technically, this is Giampietrino's 1520 copy of da Vinci's Last Supper. Da Vinci's original was painted as a mural on a wall in Milan in a somewhat experimental method that didn't ultimately hold up very well.

    [–]Metaright 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

    Well, they know how to raise publicity. No denying that.