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    [–][deleted] 9 insightful - 2 fun9 insightful - 1 fun10 insightful - 2 fun -  (3 children)

    Very accurate. I agree with all your points. The main things I've noticed in my own interactions from the people who support gender ideology (even if they are not trans themselves) tend to have these traits:

    1.) All the ones I know are women, holy hell. I often find that men are a lot more willing to call this gender BS out for what it is. However, all of my friends are women so this probably skews that data point.

    2.) They often are very naive. Many women who blindly support this nonsense have never lived on their own. The ones I know are approaching 30 and still live with their parents, never had to pay their own way, maintain a house, etc.

    3.) Very left leaning. Goes without saying I guess. The conservative women I know don't fall for this crap.

    4.) Don't feel like they fit the mold of what a woman "should" look like (for one of the friends I used to have that went trans).

    5.) They tend to not have a lot of direction in life. Not a lot of motivation or tangible goals or any kind of purpose.

    6.) One of them in particular was really good at being nasty behind a screen, but buckled into a little worm if you confronted her in person. Like a whole different person. These people derive their power from being permanently and perpetually online. It has stunted them.

    7.) ALL OF THEM have been on Tumblr since they were teens. My god, Tumblr is poison.

    [–]Caessium 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

    1.) All the ones I know are women, holy hell. I often find that men are a lot more willing to call this gender BS out for what it is. However, all of my friends are women so this probably skews that data point.

    Straight men have less to gain from this. In fact, the movement usually makes a point to either alienate them (by telling them how they aren't welcome there) or break them into obedient vassals. It's like a left-wing counterpart of the Redpill movement – which mostly works by scaring away self-respecting women and leaving those already conditioned to accept abuse.

    6.) One of them in particular was really good at being nasty behind a screen, but buckled into a little worm if you confronted her in person. Like a whole different person. These people derive their power from being permanently and perpetually online. It has stunted them.

    Yeah. For all the bluster and revenge fantasies, they're usually the kind of people who are afraid to tell the waiter that they brought them the wrong dish.

    [–]MarkJefferson 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

    Straight men have less to gain from this. In fact, the movement usually makes a point to either alienate them (by telling them how they aren't welcome there) or break them into obedient vassals. It's like a left-wing counterpart of the Redpill movement – which mostly works by scaring away self-respecting women and leaving those already conditioned to accept abuse.

    Have you heard of Transbians? If a straight guy transitions, they became "gay" and a "woman". They basically turn from "cis het male oppressors" to transwomen who apparently experience homophobia and "transmisogyny" at the same time. Tbh, in this woke intersectionalist era, I'm not surprised so many go that route. But they definitely have a lot to gain from gender ideology(just not without first identifying as a woman). More than enough to cancel out any perceived white privilege if they are white. I wouldn't be surprised if transracialism was acceptable they would "transition" there too to climb the intersectionalist ladder to eventually become Assistant Secretary for Health or something.

    Anyway, r/ActualLesbians is full of these people. It's quite a LARP-fest over there..

    [–]awkwardphilosopher 7 insightful - 2 fun7 insightful - 1 fun8 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

    The introverted/extroverted divide also lines up with how mild autism presents between the sexes.

    [–]TotoroDeams 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

    Really, it can be reduced to three things; One, Social awkwardness, Autism, Narcissism.

    Really those are the three major traits which pretty much your entire comment covered. Well said. Thanks for the insight from your point of view.

    [–]LyingSpirit472 3 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

    Honestly, I think the biggest difference boils down to:

    AMAB people are hopeless incels who are trying desperately to have someone find them fuckable just once in their life, even if it's out of pity or even being able to force someone into finding them fuckable. They're so pornsick and love-starved they're literally willing to sacrifice EVERYTHING in the hope it gives them sex just once. You could probably get the poor bastard to agree to be in a snuff film for you as long as you promise them you'll film a porn scene starring them beforehand.

    AFAB people are those hopeless incels' longtime female friends who have had enough of those incels' bullshit attempts to make the woman love them, have made it painfully clear to the incel they aren't interested and it's never going to happen using every claim in the book, and have seen all of their excuses blow up in their face. Say you have a boyfriend, they'll wait for you to be single. Say you're married, they'll tell you to cheat. Flat out say you're not attracted to them and give every possible reason for it, they're willing to wait it out until you have no other options. Walk away from them outright, they'll stalk you and stay in your life. And now, the one thing left in the quiver- "I am gay" has been countered with "great. I'm also a woman, and now I outrank you in oppression points and really, you're the bad guy now if you don't fuck me as a woman!"...so it becomes "fine. Now I'm a man. And a gay man, like you're a lesbian. You just said you're a trans lesbian, no takebacksies or I get power over you. Looks like we're sexually incompatible. Sorry, you were REALLY close to getting me too..."

    [–]MarkJefferson 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

    Excellent observations. I do concur with a lot of these when it comes to FTMs/MTFs.

    [–]GrilledTofuIdentifying as a block of tofu 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

    Really insightful that's cool

    [–]Objecting_Sphere 11 insightful - 1 fun11 insightful - 0 fun12 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

    In any disagreement, even if it's not one of their gender or SJ hobbyhorses, they act offended to gain the moral high ground. The ones I know tend to adopt a fake-gentle, almost corporate way of speech while criticizing the tone of the person they're arguing with, acting as if they're just trying to make amends while speaking at length about the "faults" of the person they're speaking with.

    I think of it as the flip side of the sweet-aggressive tone you see in the stereotypical southern church lady: "Oh sweety, you're coming off as just a bit frustrated, but we can work it out..."

    My theory is that in any population there are manipulative, self-righteous people who use these strategies. They are attracted to communities in moral power. That means in liberal places they'll be SJWs, and in conservative places they'll act super religious. Also note that in both cases they don't actually uphold the ideals they subscribe to: Real trans people are harmed by the obnoxious virtue-signalling "activism" that these people do, while those snide church ladies aren't exactly Christian angels who love their neighbor.

    [–]IridescentAnaconda 10 insightful - 2 fun10 insightful - 1 fun11 insightful - 2 fun -  (3 children)

    Cluster B. Specifically, BPD and NPD.

    [–][deleted] 5 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 0 fun6 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

    Agree 100%, especially to the NPD part.

    [–]DivisionISillusion 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

    Also Histrionic

    [–]jet199 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

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      [–][deleted] 6 insightful - 2 fun6 insightful - 1 fun7 insightful - 2 fun -  (1 child)

      I definitely have to censor myself a lot when dealing with these kinds of people, so oversensitivity is 100% on the mark. And the hypocrisy, holy hell, and the cognitive dissonance. I talk to some of these people and they legit have no problem with JKR getting rape/death threats, doxxed, etc, and they don't have a problem with other women being treated the same way because "they said the wrong thing". They're on "the right side of history". God I hate that term.

      [–]SJCringe 8 insightful - 1 fun8 insightful - 0 fun9 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

      Sane trans people: Just like you and me.

      Tumblrina trans people and transtrenders: Obsessed with being ~provocative~ in a way that goes beyond their gender presentation. I made the mistake of replying to a particularly inane post on Tumblr last night and the algorithm flooded my For You page with people trying to get attention by being as ~quirky~ as possible. In order to block them (to stop the algorithm from putting that shit on my page) I had to go to each of their pages and the majority of them were “he/they” or “they/it” (SO MANY “IT”S) and all this kind of shit.

      [–][deleted] 8 insightful - 2 fun8 insightful - 1 fun9 insightful - 2 fun -  (1 child)

      Sane trans people

      That's a contradiction of terms. Thinking you're another gender is not sane.

      [–]Vulptexghost fox girl ^w^ 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

      They don't think that

      [–]jet199 6 insightful - 4 fun6 insightful - 3 fun7 insightful - 4 fun -  (0 children)

      Both sexes put on a harmless broken bird persona most of the time.

      Soft voice, ever so gentle, submissive body language, nothing's a problem, etc

      This is how people were so protective to Aimee Challenor even though he looks more like a big fat Bruce Bogtrotter cuckoo in the nest rather than a helpless needy waif.

      Looking at the pics of him his rise through institutions and protection by important people make no sense until you see them do this fake act in real life.

      Uriah Heep, innit. Maybe Michael Jackson was also doing this act.

      But then they can turn on a dime.

      [–]Vulptexghost fox girl ^w^ 6 insightful - 2 fun6 insightful - 1 fun7 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

      They're either brainwashed militant far-left SJW progressives or manipulative people who take advantage of these agendas to get whatever they want and shut down all opposition to them.

      [–][deleted] 5 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 0 fun6 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

      They're angry at daddy.

      That's a sentiment our society actively cultivates now. Can't watch an hour of TV without seeing some suburban dad humiliated in an ad or sitcom, or maybe a newly-minted celebrity sharing "their" narrative of overcoming abuse a la Mariah Carey.

      Sure looks like you turned out OK to me, bitch, and you're not doing it with IQ or good taste.

      [–]awkwardphilosopher 5 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 0 fun6 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

      Autism, Comorbid mental illness, apparent muchausens. The first two are openly acknowledged by trans groups but spun to fit the narrative of how “marginalized” they are.

      [–]awkwardphilosopher 6 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 0 fun7 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

      Also often intelligent “gifted kids.” GT kids are also more likely to go on to be diagnosed with autism and anxiety disorders. Go figure.

      [–]Caessium 5 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 0 fun6 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

      They frequently claim to be autistic, but it's just another identity for them. Most often they don't have a real diagnosis or shop for a specialist that will give them what they want.

      [–]Q-Continuum-kin 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

      [–]Caessium 3 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

      That's because if you're a narcissistic or borderline woman, there's no better place for you than LGBT+ or the women's rights movement. Nowhere else their rudeness, mood swings, and outright abuse will get explained away as righteous anger. Nowhere else can they be infallible because disagreeing with them makes you automatically an oppressor. Nowhere else they'll get to act like petty tyrants to their "allies" and still be cheered on. It's like a blood bank for a vampire.

      [–]Caessium 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

      Every minority-centered movement needs outside oppression to be cohesive. This is because they have nothing in common except that they feel abused by the rest of society in a particular way. The people who don't feel maltreated enough will never join the group, or leave it very quickly. If the identity becomes too accepted by society, the movement will dissolve.

      For this reason, every successful minority-centered movement learns how to cultivate this feeling of alienation in its members. Once they lure an outcast by offering them unconditional acceptance, they mold him to never feel welcome outside. They teach him to act, dress and behave in a way that seems weird to the rest of society. They expand his definition of abuse to encompass perfectly normal interaction. They tell him to not trust his friends or family outside the movement and accept unconditionally other members of the group. They also bring him "allies".

      "Allies" are pretty much the representation of the enemy, the oppressor. Aside from advertising the movement outside, their role is to be the emotional punching bag. They can't make any decisions about the movement and are expected to unquestioningly follow its every rule. They can't disagree with the full-fledged members of the movement and question their narrative. They are expected to tolerate rude behavior and never speak against it. Those that try to be assertive, are abused until they leave or get broken. The aggressive ones are chased out and used as further proof that the society outside hates the minorities. Only the servile ones can stay.

      So the gender movement (as every other similar movement) really has two kinds of people: full-fledged members and "allies".

      Full-fledged members:

      • Feel like outcasts, but don't do much to fit in. In fact, they do pretty much everything they can to alienate the 'normies'.
      • Have an extremely strong group identity. An attack on one of them is an attack on all of them.
      • The real or imagined abuse becomes central to their identity, which means a lot of repressed anger.
      • This anger frequently gets vented on their "allies", because they're forbidden from retaliating while still representing the enemy. This gives the activists an illusion of a hard-earned win.
      • They're always victims, never oppressors. This doesn't mean they always abuse someone, but if they do, it's very easy for them to rationalize it.
      • They usually want a quick win. This means a fellow activist or a former "ally" is a better target than the actual enemy because the former usually doesn't know how to defend themselves and can be easily punished by making them persona non grata.

      "Allies":

      • They're rarely, if ever, assertive. The ones that respect themselves are usually weeded out by the movement.
      • In conflict situations, they're passive toward the members of the movement and aggressive toward their perceived enemies and transgressors.
      • Always ready to demonstrate their loyalty to the cause, which makes them sometimes more eager to punish the enemies of the movement than the full-fledged members. This makes them more willing to go against harder targets.

      [–]GrilledTofuIdentifying as a block of tofu 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

      Lord help you if you said anything they disagree.

      [–]Newzok 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

      Just being spergy in general. That also includes cis people who are supportive.

      [–][deleted] 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

      What does spergy mean?

      Edit: nm, looked it up haha