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[–][deleted] 18 insightful - 5 fun18 insightful - 4 fun19 insightful - 5 fun -  (3 children)

"Support black trans liberation"

No. I do not. Nothing brings down a neighborhood like some schizo black dude walking around in a dress pestering people at convenience stores. Trust me on this. Not everything must be embraced.

[–]shortchick 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (2 children)

You seen him too?

[–][deleted] 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

Guy I was thinking of used to wander Downtown Hattiesburg, MS in an orange sun dress. The neighborhood experienced very rapid "white flight" and has defied any attempt at renewal or gentrification for, geez, almost 30 years now. Just pisses me off that one person acting obnoxiously can take down a whole neighborhood. Hattiesburg is really nice, aside from Downtown.

[–]shortchick 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

The one I'm thinking of wears tight pants and a halter top with big hoop earrings and has broad shoulders. I work in a less savory neighborhood, so I seent some things o_o

[–]ClassroomPast6178 15 insightful - 2 fun15 insightful - 1 fun16 insightful - 2 fun -  (1 child)

Seems a lot of people, in multiple countries don’t understand how courts, legal opinions and rulings work, and therefore get upset when a ruling doesn’t go their way.

If something is so important to you, and you live in a democracy, then you have a route to getting it enacted and that is by collecting enough popular support and passing a law. Throwing a tantrum because the unelected and unaccountable judiciary didn’t change the law in the way you wanted is acting like a toddler (not to mention, trying to subvert the democratic process when it suits you).

In the example in the OP, the twitter poster should be organising or joining a campaign group to campaign for equal marriage. Trouble is that it takes effort and time to change the consensus.

[–]GrilledTofuIdentifying as a block of tofu 13 insightful - 2 fun13 insightful - 1 fun14 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

Democracy only 'works' when they win. And that's the problem especially in America right now. Gosh, the sheer amount of meltdowns I've seen in the past few days: with friends coming up to me saying America is going to way of the Chinese Dynasties, with dooms and glooms that America is becoming a Theocracy ect.

They're behaving that the world is going to end because they didn't win.

[–]slavdude0 14 insightful - 4 fun14 insightful - 3 fun15 insightful - 4 fun -  (0 children)

Sad for many normal LGB people there.

But watch the TQ+ freaks shit on the "chinks" even more. Cos' you know... Japanese are Schrodinger POC.

[–]LordoftheFliesAmeri-kin 2.0. Pronouns: MegaWhite/SuperStraight/UltraPatriarchy 13 insightful - 5 fun13 insightful - 4 fun14 insightful - 5 fun -  (23 children)

What looks like a white weeb whining about their holy land not being the yaoi/yuri paradise that their stash of fap fuel makes it out to be? Aww, what a fucking shame.

[–]Alienhunter糞大名 8 insightful - 1 fun8 insightful - 0 fun9 insightful - 1 fun -  (17 children)

The funny thing is, legal situation aside, gay people in Japan have it different than people in America, America can still be pretty mean, you'll get accepted unapologetically on the one hand, but you'll have people that fucking hate your shit on the other.

Not claiming Japan is some progressive paradise, you come out as gay publicly and people will assume you are a pedophile sure, but if you say, don't come out at work, nobody will pry, your completely free to do basically whatever you want and nobody will care unless you make it their business.

It would be better if they recognized gay marriage, but in some ways Japanese gays can live with more practical freedom than people in the west, in some ways. It's not exactly the kind of place you want to be totally open to everyone about it. But you'll never risk bodily harm unless you are truly retarded.

[–][deleted] 11 insightful - 3 fun11 insightful - 2 fun12 insightful - 3 fun -  (16 children)

It would be better if they recognized gay marriage

Or not. Those "slippery slope" people have been completely vindicated.

[–]Alienhunter糞大名 9 insightful - 2 fun9 insightful - 1 fun10 insightful - 2 fun -  (14 children)

I tend to agree with the slippery slope if we go with fallacy arguments like "love is love" or other tautological bullshit.

My point of view largely comes from asking the question, why not? I'm not totally down with the gay shit, but if you ask me stuff like, should gay people get hospital visitation rights?. Tax breaks? Visa considerations in legitimate relationships? I can't answer no.

What harm comes to society by allowing gay people to get married?

[–]IridescentAnaconda 5 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 0 fun6 insightful - 1 fun -  (10 children)

My opinion -- as someone in a same sex marriage -- is that marriage stabilizes people. You don't want gay people doing degenerate shit? Promote gay marriage. I realize that many men in same-sex-marriage are still degenerates, but the legal entanglement tends to slow down the process. My spouse and I were monogamous anyway before we got married, but after the ink was dry, I realized at a visceral level there was no way out of the relationship without getting the state involved in a very messy way. That's a good thing.

[–]Alienhunter糞大名 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

A fair point. And I am inclined to agree. I think marriage has a stabilizing effect on society in general and should be encouraged. I see no real reason to exclud

Personally I think arguing this point here isn't smart.

You don't want gay people doing degenerate shit? Promote gay marriage.

Since opponents to gay marriage already consider any gay behavior to automatically be degenerate it's fairly meaningless.

I think most of the opposition in the west at least is still due to religious people being fearful that you'll get antagonistic gay people going into the churches to cause headaches for the people there who mainly just want to be left alone. I understand fully that most gay people have no interest in doing such things and merely want the same, to be left alone to their own devices and not be harassed, which is why I'm personally in favor of it, but there's a tendency to kind of ignore the people on our own side of the aisle behaving badly. I've personally seen gay people come into a church and try to start shit. I've seen religious people go into the gay bar or pride parade or wherever and try to start shit. I think we on both sides need to be critical of these types of antagonizers and promote a much more "leave people to their own devices and let them live as they wish" mindset if we're going to get past the nastiness.

The situation in Japan is far different since this is basically already the status quo. It's unfortunate for gay people because there isn't as strong of a social will to enact gay marriage, but on the otherside, the opposition is also not really there like it is in the west. It's likely to be legal sooner than later but change is slow.

[–]IridescentAnaconda 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

I am 100% against gay people behaving badly. Unfortunately, I can't do anything about them except complain, judge, and keep my distance from them. Likely they will ultimately be the reason for the demise of my rights to medical power-of-attorney for my spouse, etc., without a lot of extra legal protection.

[–][deleted] 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (7 children)

You don't want gay people doing degenerate shit? Promote gay marriage.

Two problems with this: first, marriage has become meaningless and the majority of marriages these days end in divorce. That was already the case before gay marriage was legalized in the US, but it doesn't help things. Second, pretending it's the same as a straight marriage means that people want to get kids involved (adoption/surrogacy). The problem with this is that the gay movement does not and has never tried to exclude perverts, paraphiliacs and predators.

[–]Alienhunter糞大名 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (5 children)

While I agree the tendency to turn a blind eye to the pedophilia issue is troubling, and the primary function of legal marriage is to provide a stable framework for the propagation and raising of children, and that the ease of legal divorce largely runs counter to that primacy, I still fail to see how extending the rights of marriage to cover monogamous same sex relationship harms society or had any negative effects in any way that aren't also shared by heterosexual relationships. I'm not sure the civil encouragement is at all conductive to improving the low birthrate but I see no issues with merely allowing it. Pedophiles are predators are not at all unique to the homosexual persuasion and it's frankly somewhat irrelevant when discussing matrimony itself. I also see few issues with extending adoption rights to gay couples as well provided that sufficient vetting is in place to weed out people who wish to adopt for the wrong reasons, however this again is also completely to be expected from straight relationships as well.

I'm certainly happy to entertain any solid arguments against gay marriage should they exist. But as of yet I've not encountered any compelling ones that aren't religious in nature.

[–][deleted] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (4 children)

the primary function of legal marriage is to provide a stable framework for the propagation and raising of children

Which should include pro-natal subsidies, but it wouldn't make sense to extend those subsidies to same-sex couples.

I still fail to see how extending the rights of marriage to cover monogamous same sex relationship harms society or had any negative effects in any way that aren't also shared by heterosexual relationships.

Same-sex and opposide-sex relationships are hardly comparable because of how different their behavior is. Straight people don't have the fetish cultures and the weird zoonotic diseases that gays do. Gay marriage didn't prevent monkeypox, did it?

Pedophiles are predators are not at all unique to the homosexual persuasion

The point I would make here is that homosexuality should be considered a paraphilia, as it had been prior to 1974, and that paraphilias tend to cluster together within an individual. Historically, most "gay" relationships were between adult males and adolescent boys, and this pattern is typical still today. Homosexuality is equated with pederasty as often by homophobes as it is by homophiles (see the "Kevin Spacey defense" for one example). While it's certainly not the only reason one would become gay, the self-reported rates of childhood molestation by older males in gay men is disturbingly high (probably around 50%).

I also see few issues with extending adoption rights to gay couples as well provided that sufficient vetting is in place to weed out people who wish to adopt for the wrong reasons,

That last part is key. We can't have sufficient vetting, because that would be homophobic, and we have made it our civilization's existential purpose to stamp out homophobia (along with racism, sexism, etc.).

[–]Alienhunter糞大名 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

Which should include pro-natal subsidies, but it wouldn't make sense to extend those subsidies to same-sex couples.

Agreed but it also makes little sense to extend those to any couples without children.

Same-sex and opposide-sex relationships are hardly comparable because of how different their behavior is. Straight people don't have the fetish cultures and the weird zoonotic diseases that gays do. Gay marriage didn't prevent monkeypox, did it?

The main issue is the production of children. Straight couples do indeed choose not to produce children and engage in various paraphilia as well, yet we as a society have little issue with allowing them marriage. I don't believe this is exclusively a homosexual issue.

The point I would make here is that homosexuality should be considered a paraphilia, as it had been prior to 1974, and that paraphilias tend to cluster together within an individual. Historically, most "gay" relationships were between adult males and adolescent boys, and this pattern is typical still today. Homosexuality is equated with pederasty as often by homophobes as it is by homophiles (see the "Kevin Spacey" defense for one example). While it's certainly not the only reason one would become gay, the self-reported rates of childhood molestation by older males in gay men is disturbingly high (probably around 50%).

This is definitely an elephant in the room nobody wishes to address. I think it's somewhat irrelevant to the question of legal marriage though. As that requires both parties to be well above the age of consent.

That last part is key. We can't have sufficient vetting, because that would be homophobic, and we have made it our civilization's existential purpose to stamp out homophobia (along with racism, sexism, etc.).

Agreed, the current culture is very much opposed to any kind of vetting or critical attitudes towards certain groups. This is also true towards straight couples as well though, even in conservative circles. I know people who adopted many children, and while typically adoption is something to be celebrated, people weren't always doing it for the right reasons. They were doing it for reasons of status within their religion organization oftentimes, oftentimes under the aspirations of converting as many children as possible. While I have no issues with religious people adopting and propogating their religion, theres a subtle but important difference between religious teaching, and cult like mentalities. The same exists within the gay community as far as I can tell. The activists are oftentimes insane, normal people are far more reasonable.

[–][deleted] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

Agreed but it also makes little sense to extend those to any couples without children.

My view is that subsidies on marriage alone can be used to encourage couples to have children. Something like this: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marriage_loan

[–]Neo_Shadow_Lurker 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Straight people don't have the fetish cultures and the weird zoonotic diseases that gays do.

Oh my sweet summer child...

You're really innocent, aren't you?!

Historically, most "gay" relationships were between adult males and adolescent boys, and this pattern is typical still today.

Do you have any data on this?

You seem to be conflating homosexuality with pederasty, which is not only a clear demonstration of history illiteracy on your part, but also wrong.

Most pederasts were very affluent men who, surprise, were married to women and had children of their own.

And yes, most pederasts looked down upon men who engaged in adult same-sex relationships, with Plato and Phaedrus being two very famous examples of this.

On the straight side of things however, it's important to remember that child brides were a thing and still are even today on secluded, mostly rural areas. Hell, such practice was even endorsed by several religions thorough human history.

Oh wait, we don't talk about those because grown ass men wanting to fuck 14 year old girls is "trad", so yeah...

While it's certainly not the only reason one would become gay, the self-reported rates of childhood molestation by older males in gay men is disturbingly high (probably around 50%).

Sauce mothefucker, where is the sauce!

Never bring my pasta without the sauce!

The point I would make here is that homosexuality should be considered a paraphilia, as it had been prior to 1974, and that paraphilias tend to cluster together within an individual.

If that's your point, then you suck at it.

[–]IridescentAnaconda 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

I don't really have a problem with excluding same-sex couples from adoption, not only because of the predators but also because there really should be both a proper mother and father involved in parenting, from a purely developmental perspective (all other things being equal). However, that should be an issue that is separate from inheritance, medical-power-of-attorney, taxes, etc.

[–][deleted] 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

should gay people get hospital visitation rights?. Tax breaks? Visa considerations in legitimate relationships?

That's the point of civil unions (which are legal in most of the major Japanese cities).

[–]Alienhunter糞大名 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

I'd need a source for that. Afaik civil unions for gay couples are gaining popularity in some municipalities in Japan but I think it's still quite rare. A few of the wards of Tokyo, I think Shinjuku and Setagaya specifically do it. But I don't know of anywhere else that does.

I suspect that they'll be allowed most everywhere presently but again change is slow and it will probably take 5 years or more to really catch on everywhere.

[–]Alienhunter糞大名 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Actually I think some random town in the middle of nowhere Akita has civil unions as well but it's an arts university town so it's not totally surprising.

[–]Neo_Shadow_Lurker 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Those "slippery slope" people

The same "slippery slope people" who tried to pass legislation eliminating any minimal age requirement to marriage?

https://www.newsweek.com/tennessee-marriage-bill-that-sparked-outcry-lacking-age-minimum-dead-1697773

The funniest thing of all is that this piece of legislation was introduced in response to gay marriage, let that sink in.

The people who regularly evoke the slippery slope argument to equate homosexuality with pedophilia are the same ones who tried to make child brides legal again.

It's almost like they don't really care about pedophilia or the victims of child sex abuse and just use the topic as an electorial tool to generate empty moral outrage.

[–]meisthebigdumbTransracial BlackX Rockgender Bispecies[S] 7 insightful - 2 fun7 insightful - 1 fun8 insightful - 2 fun -  (4 children)

Japan is still a degenerate hellhole, you can easily find tentacle cp on their fuckin websites

[–]LordoftheFliesAmeri-kin 2.0. Pronouns: MegaWhite/SuperStraight/UltraPatriarchy 5 insightful - 4 fun5 insightful - 3 fun6 insightful - 4 fun -  (2 children)

Tentacle clown porn? Fuck yeah, love me some eldritch abomination/circus crossover fun!

[–]meisthebigdumbTransracial BlackX Rockgender Bispecies[S] 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (1 child)

Tentacle child porn. They call it "loli" but it's not that different

[–]LordoftheFliesAmeri-kin 2.0. Pronouns: MegaWhite/SuperStraight/UltraPatriarchy 4 insightful - 3 fun4 insightful - 2 fun5 insightful - 3 fun -  (0 children)

I know what was meant, and I much prefer my definition. Pennywise and Cthulhu OTP!

[–]Neo_Shadow_Lurker 3 insightful - 3 fun3 insightful - 2 fun4 insightful - 3 fun -  (0 children)

At least it's straight cp tentacle porn, which automatically makes it based!

[–]Femaleisnthateful 12 insightful - 4 fun12 insightful - 3 fun13 insightful - 4 fun -  (1 child)

What 'transphobic keyword' is they/them referring to? 'Same sex'?

[–]PassionateIntensity 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Oh God, I didn't even catch that. Yup.

[–]hfxB0oyADon't piss on my head & tell me it's raining. 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

I wonder if she truly supports black trans liberation, or if she's just another bigot who refuses to suck all the girldick?

[–]Rastafoo 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

Based

[–]RedEyedWarriorThe Evil Cishomo 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

I support gay marriage and I would like to see it legalised in Japan one day. Nevertheless, Japan has the right to make the final call. And frankly, change should come naturally and not through force.