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[–]germinare 37 insightful - 3 fun37 insightful - 2 fun38 insightful - 3 fun -  (16 children)

Of course it isn’t. Nothing that compels you to amputate bits of your body and have a total mental breakdown at the sight of yourself is “normal.”

[–]The_Quantum_Alpha[S] 24 insightful - 2 fun24 insightful - 1 fun25 insightful - 2 fun -  (15 children)

Voila. It's a personality disorder, and depression .

[–]germinare 14 insightful - 1 fun14 insightful - 0 fun15 insightful - 1 fun -  (13 children)

The exact cause varies.

AGP men have a severe pathological paraphilia combined with narcissism. Most have no normal sexual orientation, just their disordered obsession, like other severe paraphiliacs.

HSTS is usually a combination of childhood deprivation and growing up with internalized homophobia.

Most TIF’s are dealing with either severe homophobia if they’re lesbians, or have abuse histories (often CSA).

[–]The_Quantum_Alpha[S] 11 insightful - 1 fun11 insightful - 0 fun12 insightful - 1 fun -  (12 children)

But it all comes down to be a trauma of some sort, which depression and POD are only some of the symptoms.

[–]germinare 7 insightful - 1 fun7 insightful - 0 fun8 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

For the most part, yes. I suspect that AGP’s would probably have developed some sort of pathology no matter what, which is why they’re also the most dangerous and unhinged in the trans movement. Maybe it wouldn’t have been this EXACT pathology, but that underlying narcissistic trait is very strong in them, and is often inborn.

[–]bobbobbybob 6 insightful - 2 fun6 insightful - 1 fun7 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

which is why they’re also the most dangerous and unhinged in the trans movement.

they are also 98% of the trans movement.

[–][deleted] 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

[–]JasonCarswell 5 insightful - 5 fun5 insightful - 4 fun6 insightful - 5 fun -  (8 children)

Also, chemical imbalances in the toxic environment.

Fuck the climate change scam, there are real environmental and food/drug issues that need addressing.

[–][deleted] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (7 children)

chemical imbalances

That one was actually just a hypothesis that didn't work out.

There are real chemical imbalances, they're severe metabolic disorders. The pop psychology model of chemical imbalances doesn't hold. Still, an unfortunate number of medical professionals aren't up to date.

[–]JasonCarswell 2 insightful - 3 fun2 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 3 fun -  (6 children)

As a person who not only suffers from mood issues, and having half a brain, I know for a fact chemicals impact me profoundly, like all living things. A potato is made of chemicals. The air is made of chemicals. Everything is chemicals. Imbalances happen - from our exercise or lack thereof to the food we choose to ingest to the toxins in our environment or plastic bottles or your soy milk. The frogs aren't gay for no reason.

[–][deleted] 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (5 children)

As a person who not only suffers from mood issues, and having half a brain, I know for a fact chemicals impact me profoundly

Fantastic, since you have intuited these things I'll tell all the scientists to go home.

Show me evidence there are chemical imbalances. Not theory, not speculation. Proof anyone ever with depression was measured and found to be lacking specific neurotransmitters.

[–]Node 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

Without getting into potential effects, aren't chemical imbalances possible? Like if you somehow had zero salt intake, it would seem that you would end up being unbalanced in your salt levels. Yes?

Specific effects would probably vary, based on numerous factors.

[–][deleted] 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Chemical imbalances are possible but they're severe metabolic disorders.

Sometimes I wonder if somebody with a loved one who had one of these rare disorders faked antidepressants as being useful for depression to develop the medications. There is no evidence that ever happened however.

[–]JasonCarswell 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (2 children)

The SSRI's stuff was garbage poison for me. That was an artificially created imbalance. They poisoned me for years until any of them bothered to get a blood sample from me only to discover that my vitamin D levels were "in the basement". Vitamin D helps a lot as is evidenced by no shortage of documentation, as is ketamine for chronic depression. But these and other solutions aren't profitable for Big Pharma.

If my living testimony isn't proof enough you can go fuck yourself.

[–][deleted] 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

my living testimony isn't proof enough

Fuck no, not when it affects millions of people. Need hard facts not feelings.

[–]BEB 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

The same Lisa Littman study I mention in another post also found higher rates of depression in US "transgender" kids than average.

[–]DR373737 15 insightful - 2 fun15 insightful - 1 fun16 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

I'm not an expert but I used to work in mental health Housing Advocate. Every quarter/year I would do check-ins on the property/apartments. The male clients generally suffered from lack of companionship/loneliness/ and most never had much female interaction. Most would overload on porn (I know because you would see it all over their apartments/one even had his walls/windows covered in pornography) These same men would later develop cross-dressing tendencies and at the time I felt sorry for them. At the time there wasn't a term incel, but that's what it was. I didn't stay in that field, but because of that experience I can say that it should not be normalized in the way that it is with this transmovement.

[–]rubberbiscuit 13 insightful - 1 fun13 insightful - 0 fun14 insightful - 1 fun -  (4 children)

I am transphobic, and proud of being so.

[–]noseburp 12 insightful - 2 fun12 insightful - 1 fun13 insightful - 2 fun -  (2 children)

It is creepy as fuck. It should not be normalised, and don't even get me started on the child transgendering bullshit. shudder

[–]kwallio 14 insightful - 2 fun14 insightful - 1 fun15 insightful - 2 fun -  (1 child)

I used to be what I guess is called a nicefem, ie that there wasn't anything wrong with transgenderism really but some people go overboard. I've done mostly a 180, transgenderism in general is keeply f-ed up and we should not be trying to normalise it and definitely should not be doing backflips to accommodate people who pretty much can't be satisfied, ever. Because they're mentally ill.

[–]noseburp 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Yep.

[–]Node 4 insightful - 2 fun4 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

phobic: having or involving an extreme or irrational fear of or aversion to something.

Same. It's an extreme malfunction. I'm also averse to animals with rabies.

[–]bobbobbybob 13 insightful - 1 fun13 insightful - 0 fun14 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

i saved this one from the net many years ago. Blog is long gone.

Once, I thought I was trans. I decided to transition, and fully entered into the world of self-policing, comparing my every action, word and though to my internalized patriarchal model of what it meant to 'be a woman'. I prided myself on my voice, my body language, my transformation from violent, angry, lost male to feminine, collected and sophisticated 'woman'. I passed.

After surgery, the fact that despite my performance and commitment, I could never be a biological female slowly broke through my delusional world, and reality started to bite. Unlike my peers, who screamed at the world that biology wasn't real, I worked on myself to come to an acceptance of reality.

Goodbye

[–]Node 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

RIP

[–]Britishbulldog 12 insightful - 2 fun12 insightful - 1 fun13 insightful - 2 fun -  (4 children)

Biologist- I agree with you. It should not be normalized. Accepted, yes, as transition may well be the best treatment for some cases (1- some, meaning a small minority. 2- you probably have a better take on this than myself), but not normalized.

[–]The_Quantum_Alpha[S] 11 insightful - 1 fun11 insightful - 0 fun12 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Exactly. Sure, I will accept them as trans but to say it is normal and that """SuperStraight""" isn't is completely insane.

[–]Terfenclaw 9 insightful - 1 fun9 insightful - 0 fun10 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

Agreed. It should definitely be accepted, but normalizing can lead to a lot of harm.

What I don't get is, instead of teaching trans people to accept their bodies and identities, instead of teaching "transwomen are transwomen, and that's okay!" the rhetoric is insisting on a slogan that is at odds with physical reality. So everywhere they turn, reality is there with constant reminders of how their constructed identity is false, triggering their dysphoria. Instead of demanding the rest of the world change how they perceive reality, they should focus on self-acceptance and healthy coping mechanisms.

[–]BEB 11 insightful - 1 fun11 insightful - 0 fun12 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

I worked with anorexics decades ago (not as a counselor or therapist) - the effort was focused on fixing their minds to accept and love themselves as is, not allowing their body dysmorphia to take control.

[–]bobbobbybob 6 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 0 fun7 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

If you think about the commitment they've made, fucking themselves up with hormones, posting their insanity all over the 'net, all through their social lives, coming to terms with reality is probably very hard. I can't imagine what it would be like - to admit a mistake, to acknowledge insanity like that. It would require ego destruction and re-creation, and it would go against the very social factors that drove themselves to their gender presentations in the first time.

Doubling down on the demands that things are 'normal', co-opting the co-dependent world to support their addiction is the easiest path.

[–]JasonCarswell 8 insightful - 4 fun8 insightful - 3 fun9 insightful - 4 fun -  (8 children)

Being a redhead is abnormal.

Being a little person is abnormal.

Being a cybergoth is abnormal.

Being Canadian is abnormal.

Being on SaidIt is abnormal.

Most people on Earth are not these things.

Being abnormal is not a bad thing necessarily. Pros and cons.

Weaponizing manufactured division and social engineering agendas to manipulate and distract us from the evils of the ruling class systems is a bad thing - a different thing entirely.

Don't hate or fear the abnormal. Live and let live. Make room for them - but don't let them bulldoze over things that work either. Their "agenda" is not their own.

[–]kwallio 6 insightful - 4 fun6 insightful - 3 fun7 insightful - 4 fun -  (1 child)

Being a cybergoth is abnormal.

HEY

[–]JasonCarswell 3 insightful - 3 fun3 insightful - 2 fun4 insightful - 3 fun -  (0 children)

I used to be one some of the time. I'd be again if I could get in shape and/or afford it. I liked being myself and different and not boring/average/normal.

[–]Tom_Bombadil 5 insightful - 2 fun5 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 2 fun -  (1 child)

Weaponizing manufactured division and social engineering agendas to manipulate and distract us from the evils of the ruling class systems is a bad thing - a different thing entirely.

Transhumanism is a primary NWO agenda.

Primary.

They want brain chips, and experiments, and all of that madness that most can't imagine.

There's also the pedo agenda, and this gets them to the 10-yard line.

This particular agenda has much, much, more going on than most. It advances multiple fronts.

[–]JasonCarswell 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

Yes, it's the agenda that's the problem, not the people (except for the people who are actually pushing the agenda).

[–]jet199 5 insightful - 2 fun5 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 2 fun -  (3 children)

Most of these things are traits or identities not full blown mental illnesses though.

[–]JasonCarswell 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (2 children)

Meaning what? Who cares? I have mood disorders. I'm "abnormal" in many other respects too. Not being normal is not a problem - unless it's causing a problem.

Trans people living their not-average lives should not be demonized.

Trans or "normal" people pushing their hypocritical agendas of intolerance against anyone not tolerant of their unfair and/or perverse and/or harmful divisive social engineering are a problem.

[–]Node 8 insightful - 3 fun8 insightful - 2 fun9 insightful - 3 fun -  (1 child)

unless it's causing a problem.

It's causing problems in the lives of the victims who had their genitals mutilated, instead of being helped or treated.

[–]JasonCarswell 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

Yes. Deal with the problematic issues and who is causing them (activists, politicians, doctors, lawyers, etc), not the unproblematic people.

[–]BEB 9 insightful - 1 fun9 insightful - 0 fun10 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Did you know that according to a study done by Lisa Littman, MD/PhD researcher affiliated with Brown University, US children with ADHD have a larger % among "transgender" children than in the general population?

Same with autistic children.

[–]whistlepig 8 insightful - 2 fun8 insightful - 1 fun9 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

They can call it "normalized", but that doesn't make it normal.

[–]jet199 5 insightful - 7 fun5 insightful - 6 fun6 insightful - 7 fun -  (1 child)

Wow, so many actual qualified experts in this thread sharing their credentials. As an astronaut I approve.

[–][deleted] 6 insightful - 5 fun6 insightful - 4 fun7 insightful - 5 fun -  (0 children)

I can confirm jet99 is an astronaut. As a doctor of journalism I also approve.

[–]dissidentrhetoric 7 insightful - 3 fun7 insightful - 2 fun8 insightful - 3 fun -  (0 children)

It is a mental health condition

[–]Pocketmesser 8 insightful - 1 fun8 insightful - 0 fun9 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Trans people are mentally ill. Being mentally ill doesn't mean we should discriminate against them, a trans person not less of a human being, but they will never be the sex they'd like to be.

[–]oofreesouloo 4 insightful - 3 fun4 insightful - 2 fun5 insightful - 3 fun -  (9 children)

and when you are normal, you are attracted to the opposite chromosomes.

Do you consider homosexuality to be an abnormality as well?

[–]The_Quantum_Alpha[S] 8 insightful - 3 fun8 insightful - 2 fun9 insightful - 3 fun -  (0 children)

Nope! Its something unconscious.

Homosexuality is a sexuality.

It's just the way you are

[–]bobbobbybob 6 insightful - 4 fun6 insightful - 3 fun7 insightful - 4 fun -  (3 children)

Long term? yes. same sex attraction is normal, some people are just too damn sexy, but surely the sex itself can't be satisfying. Lesbian bed death is real, and how men stand all that corn on the cob I can't understand. Like. EW, its just fucking disgusting.

[–]oofreesouloo 5 insightful - 2 fun5 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 2 fun -  (1 child)

Lmao, I'm a lesbian by the way. For me the only sex "appealing" for me on a physical, sexual level is with another woman.

[–]bobbobbybob 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

whatever floats your boat! I find the first flush of lust fades pretty fast. Good for a night or two, but not long term

[–][deleted] 3 insightful - 4 fun3 insightful - 3 fun4 insightful - 4 fun -  (0 children)

some people are just too damn sexy,

That means so much to me, Bob!

[–]dissidentrhetoric 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

Homosexuality is a sexual perversion and nothing more, it is not an identity.

[–]oofreesouloo 6 insightful - 3 fun6 insightful - 2 fun7 insightful - 3 fun -  (0 children)

I wasn't asking you lmao

[–]JasonCarswell 3 insightful - 5 fun3 insightful - 4 fun4 insightful - 5 fun -  (0 children)

[–]Node 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

But it can also just be a malfunction, although that's more rare.

[–]RippoffOfLove 5 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 0 fun6 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

I took an anthropology class at uni and I remember my professor urging us to not label lgbT as having a mental disorder as it's offensive. I myself have ADD and I felt absolutely insulted. It was like they felt they were somehow better than me. Sure, I know I'm not normal. That's why we have words for different mental disabilities; they're labels for abnormalities. But at least I'm not trying to turn my genitals inside out. At least I'm not pumping myself full of foreign hormones.

[–]Comatoast 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (2 children)

Nah, but make no mistake-- the meds we take to manage ADD and ADHD are pretty friggin' detrimental in their own rights.

[–]RippoffOfLove 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

Generally speaking that's definitely true. A big part of the problem is school is meant to be a one-size-fits all thing. Instead of forcing children with ADD to make our current school system work, we should be making school meet their needs.

[–][deleted] 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Generally speaking that's definitely true.

u/Comatoast is absolutely right. You can't amp up your body and mind and not pay for it somewhere. It's hard on you. You see it especially in speed addicts since they're hurrying things up with massive doses.

I don't personally take ADD meds any more. Sometimes though when I have to get shit done I take ephedrine, which is very similar to amphetamines. It's amazing how much better I feel and I sleep great. It makes me want to go back on them. Almost.

[–]cisheteroscum 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

I think it is abnormal to be trans

Profound

Now that that's established - I wonder who is pushing transgenderism so hard and why?

[–]persistentlywoman 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

I agree. a mental illness to be sure. not to be indulged and affirmed, but actually TREATED.

[–]JulienMayfair 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

It used to be accepted that gender identity disorder could be treated as a mental illness, just like any psychological condition that causes people distress. For a few people, nothing seemed to work, and so they were allowed to transition. This is why there used to be fairly few transitioners.

Now, however, gender activists have hijacked LGB claims that homosexuality is not a mental illness to say that gender identity disorder is not a mental illness -- while, at the same time, demanding medical treatment for it.

Gay people do not claim homosexuality is a mental illness, and we do not demand treatment for it. We just want to live our lives. Ex-gay conversion therapy was notoriously ineffective and often brutal, but gender activists have linked treatment for gender identity disorder to ex-gay conversion therapy in order to ban it.

But why not want to be happy living in your own body? What's wrong with that? Wouldn't psychotherapy be preferable to invasive surgeries and a lifetime of dependency on cross-sex hormones?

My experience, being in my 50s, of trans people I've known is that their distress never really seems to go away, and I genuinely feel bad for them.

[–]Reed_Solomon 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

But you will never be biologically the gender you want, due to reproductive organs and chromosomes.

At least with current technology and medical science. If we were able to change people at the genetic level it'd be interesting to see what would happen to all these nutcases. Nobody would care anymore about these mentally ill individuals, because theoretically the gene therapy would fix them in the head. But at that point, why change them to another sex, fix the fault that makes them think they should be another sex. The chemical brain deficiencies.

[–]The_Quantum_Alpha[S] 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Amen

[–]i_hate_cheese_eaters 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Abnormal means it's not the norm. So by definition it's abnormal.

Abnormal doesn't mean bad. They are drawing this conclusion.