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[–]Terfenclaw 18 insightful - 4 fun18 insightful - 3 fun19 insightful - 4 fun -  (0 children)

Horrific, and definitely a case of extreme superphobia. The murderer, Dana Rivers, was an organizer for Camp Trans, which directly opposed MichFest's policy of only letting in biological females. Not only did Rivers murder two lesbians, but he murdered their adopted son as well, a black teenager.

[–]pesos 15 insightful - 3 fun15 insightful - 2 fun16 insightful - 3 fun -  (1 child)

Yep, it's a hate movement. That's what the LGBT has turned into.

[–]BEB 17 insightful - 2 fun17 insightful - 1 fun18 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

Many LGB themselves are vehemently against trans activism, gender activism and gender ideology.

LGB orgs were deliberately colonized by trans activists in the 1990s. The trans activists Trojan Horsed the gay rights movement and turned it against the concerns of actual LGB, and here we are.

LGBT organizations are now being being willingly used as sword and shield against gay rights, women's rights, SuperStraight rights, children's mental and physical health, parents' rights, biology, free speech, etc.

[–]RedEyedWarrior 9 insightful - 2 fun9 insightful - 1 fun10 insightful - 2 fun -  (2 children)

This sick fuck worked at a school. He was around children. And he murdered someone who was a child just two years prior. Along with this adoptive parents.

[–]jet199[S] 5 insightful - 2 fun5 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 2 fun -  (1 child)

It's like that nursery worker who just got done for child porn. https://metro.co.uk/2021/02/26/trans-youtuber-downloaded-child-sex-abuse-images-running-daycare-14151795/

Would these guys ever be allowed to work with kids it the were a guy who'd let any other fetish take over their lives?

They know full well taking on a female persona immediately makes people assume they are less threatening when of anything permanently living a fetish should give the opposite impression.

https://www.cambridge.org/core/journals/the-psychiatrist/article/gender-reassignment-5-years-of-referrals-in-oxfordshire/6B5F217162ABD9B3189F2EB82787034E?fbclid=IwAR37LMokbrrm1GDWmeH-_ioA-0P0jPlnOULglqt3tQs0EkvCunC53B5ON80

https://fairplayforwomen.com/pronouns/

[–]RedEyedWarrior 3 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

It’s not just that a woman is seen as less threatening than a man, although that is certainly a factor. But in the west, it’s extremely taboo to feel threatened by a trans person. So if a man says he’s a woman in a woke country or a woke part of the country, then he has some level of impunity.

[–]JulienMayfair 7 insightful - 3 fun7 insightful - 2 fun8 insightful - 3 fun -  (0 children)

The Gender Critical sub coined the term, "Teflon Trans."

[–]Tom_Bombadil 3 insightful - 4 fun3 insightful - 3 fun4 insightful - 4 fun -  (5 children)

/u/jet199 when did you start reading articles at gendertrending.com.

[–]jet199[S] 6 insightful - 4 fun6 insightful - 3 fun7 insightful - 4 fun -  (4 children)

People on saidit read articles now?

[–]Tom_Bombadil 3 insightful - 3 fun3 insightful - 2 fun4 insightful - 3 fun -  (3 children)

/u/jet199 when did you start reading articles at gendertrending.com.

People on saidit read articles now?

Most people post articles about things they're interested in.

[–]jet199[S] 4 insightful - 2 fun4 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 2 fun -  (2 children)

I found this article on r/gendercritical a couple of years back.

[–]Tom_Bombadil 1 insightful - 4 fun1 insightful - 3 fun2 insightful - 4 fun -  (1 child)

I found this article on r/gendercritical a couple of years back.

Really??? That's surprising.

How many years were you subbed to r/gendercritical?

[–]jet199[S] 3 insightful - 3 fun3 insightful - 2 fun4 insightful - 3 fun -  (0 children)

I don't know, 5 maybe.

Why's it surprising?

Don't turn your paranoid, "nothing ever happens" bullshit on me.

[–]Node 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (44 children)

Dana Rivers and fellow members of the Camp Trans encampment dedicated themselves to preventing lesbians from holding private women-only events on private property.

That would be fine if men could also have their own spaces, but this is not the case...

Last comment before "Comments are closed." was January 6, 2020 at 7:27 pm.

[–]Tom_Bombadil 6 insightful - 2 fun6 insightful - 1 fun7 insightful - 2 fun -  (41 children)

That would be fine if men could also have their own spaces, but this is not the case...

Most men don't want to go to most men-only spaces.
For the same reason men aren't allowed in women's bathrooms.

Pretty much everyone avoids the men-only spaces.
A surprising number of secret societies involve gay rituals, or bestiality, etc.
Skull and bones is one example.
Lots of frats are into this stuff.
Which is hilarious.

[–]Node 3 insightful - 3 fun3 insightful - 2 fun4 insightful - 3 fun -  (40 children)

Men used to be able to hang out and have a good time together without it being a homosexual thing. I believe destroying that ability for men to gather without women present was one of the key factors in undermining our society.

As for the secret societies, it's less hilarious than insidious and creepy, given the power they end up having over the masses. Maybe some of the frats are just weirdos though.

[–]Comatoast 4 insightful - 2 fun4 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 2 fun -  (21 children)

You're still able to do that though. The Good Ol' Boys Club. I see men drinking together, golfing, or just making an attempt to pick up women, etc.

[–]Node 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (20 children)

Women have been successfully filing lawsuits to crash mens spaces for decades. For Gods sake, there are even women in the military now. I would bet money that in the years to come, few women are going to make the connection between that complicity with the underminers and the unhappy state of their lives. It's like that even now. Are women happier that they're now expected to try to be men?

I mean, just look at this sub. Women are freaking out over 'men' invading their spaces. It's like some kind of freakish turnabout in a clown world. Women don't realize what they've lost, and now so many are so young that there's nothing to remember, because it's always been this way for them. So it goes.

[–]Comatoast 7 insightful - 2 fun7 insightful - 1 fun8 insightful - 2 fun -  (10 children)

I'm not well versed enough to know what women have fought for involving men's spaces to have a reply argument. What I do know is that I still see men in plenty of non-official situations hanging out together without women around, and it's pretty common.

As far as women being in the military, as long as it's a non-combat role why would it matter? I'll catch shit from somewhere with this opinion, but I don't think it's a great idea for us to be in combat roles unless we can meet the criterium and are on long-term birth control. I don't think military standards should be lowered for combat roles either, as it's military and not a hiking club.

We've only gotten rights worth a damn in the Western world within the last century, and we're still criticized heavily by society whether we choose to work or stay home for family. There's always someone there to tell you how shitty of a person you are for choosing X. We're damned if we do, damned if we don't. I don't understand what you mean about us being expected to be men though, if you don't mind clarifying.

[–]Node 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (9 children)

what you mean about us being expected to be men

This is going to be terribly inadequate compared to writings I've read on the topic, but essentially I mean women abandoning their natural role as moms and family nurturers. Going out into the world to compete on a mans level, in business or whatever, during a woman's childbearing years does not exactly lead to life fulfillment.

Once most women do that, it floods the labor market and drives down wages. The lower birth rate then justifies importing immigrants from other cultures, and there are a host of other effects. Working women turning their children over to the state to be brainwashed leads to weak families, and susceptibility to the currently popular propaganda. Right now it's all about switching their sex, and ruining their ability to have children of their own.

We're at a point now where our society is so screwed up that having a life where the woman takes care of the household and children, while the man goes out and collects resources, is out of reach for many. This is unfortunate, and part of why our society appears to be going haywire.

As weak as this is, I hope it makes some sense for you.

[–]Comatoast 5 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 0 fun6 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

Women go through their childbearing years from the point of around menarche through til menopause. That's a significant part of one's life to dedicate to being a breeding sow, especially when each consecutive child could increase risk of genitourinary disorders and malnourishment. Pregnancy and breastfeeding bear a hard burden on our bodies, one necessary to further humanity-- but this isn't my point.

We will likely not come towards terms of full agreement on this matter, but I will share some information with you because I would still like to showcase my point. Women have worked throughout history, but none of what we do is recognized as on par with what men have done until more recently. I would blame the wealth piglets at the top of the employment foodchain, those that prefer to outsource labor to workers from other countries to perform job roles for considerably less than what they would be required to pay citizens, over women being a part of the paid workforce.

The first of the two articles that I've linked discusses women's roles historically within healthcare, it deals more with Europe and you'll notice an interesting trend if you pay attention. The second details Korean women within healthcare. That one was translated, so bear with me.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1694293/

https://www.daytranslations.com/blog/uinyeo-korean-physician/amp/

[–]Node 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

a breeding sow

That's an interesting perspective. Looks like their propaganda has been effective. Motherhood used to be seen as one of the most beautiful aspects of humanity, and the ideal that men gave their lives to defend.

none of what we do is recognized as on par with what men have done

And? The roles of men and women are in different spheres. Have men been recognized as equally great childbearers and nurturers? Is it so terrible that they haven't?

We will likely not come towards terms of full agreement on this matter

My perspective on this extends back to before (most of) this current propaganda began, and I suspect you're a lot younger, so you're probably right. I see the effectiveness of the changes in beliefs they've instilled in the new people as extremely unfortunate for us as a species, but primarily as an indictment of our quality control. Why are people so easily 'brainwashed'? Well, we as humans are essentially a herd animal so easily 'influenced and guided' that a marketing and advertising industry has arisen to openly control us. Less visible to us is the influence of the "13 families who own the world" on our managers they've installed.

I have to say 'yes' to the question posed by Thomas Gray, excessive amounts of reality does lead to a bliss deficit.

those that prefer to outsource labor to workers from other countries

Sure, ejecting women from the home wasn't just about wages. It undermined the foundations of our society, just as the 1965 bill opening the floodgates to incompatible foreigners did.

Hmm, author of the first article lived in that trailer park just across from Natural Bridges, in a doublewide. Without automatically making assumptions about his orientation and beliefs, based on the topic and being 'from here', I'll just say this arouses my suspicions, but I haven't read it yet.

Thanks for your replies. You're an enjoyable interlocutor.

[–]Comatoast 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Yes. You're effectively a breeding sow when you're kept dumb and continually knocked up. Unless you're surrounded by family or a supportive community, it can be extremely difficult too. This also leaves women vulnerable to the repercussions of a partner becoming disinterested, putting her children and herself in danger. There always needs to be a backup plan to actually take care of our children. We deserve strong education, if nothing else to pass that on. I'm curious though, when has motherhood ever really been seen as anything other than a necessity? Fertility was celebrated, as was mercy, but motherhood in itself I'm coming up with blanks on.

Men aren't notorious for being excellent nurturers or childbearers because you physically can't bear any children. We get a physical release of oxytocin during childbirth, or would.. the birthing process has been taken over and turned into a money making option. Cesarean sections are at an all-time high to keep those vaginas from possibly looking like, well.. a person came through. Something that doesn't naturally release during a cesarean? Oxytocin. Anyhow. look at ye olden goddess archetypes, you have the creator and you have the destroyer in many old myths. You should probably be happy that we're not blessed with the testosterone levels and physical strength that men are, if I'm honest.

As I recall seeing in some of your previous posts in passing on s/all, you're in your 60s. The women in my family of/that were in that age group didn't live the blissful lives that you seem to refer to before the era of propaganda. They spent plenty of time impoverished, stuck with men that beat the everloving shit out of them and their children, and struggling to make ends meet after being forced into work to get out of their situations.

People are never truly happy, and the concept of bliss is blown deeply out of proportion. Happiness is a state of things being balanced, that's more or less it. People struggle with purpose because they don't have it anymore, trying to dig their claws into whatever drama or circumstances they can create that gives them some sort of sense of it. We have too many conveniences, if I'm honest.

I don't know where the fella lives, he may have a pretty swanky doublewide for all we know. They can be made to look nice, they're just ultra shitty for upkeep and used to have an extreme issue with value depreciation, but that's been loopholed somehow now and the damn things cost as much as a house with a crappier skeleton.

[–][deleted] 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (5 children)

You do realize it's damn near impossible to raise a dual family on one income, right? Unless you're making fat bank, which most Americans aren't. Capitalist sold womens' liberation on the American people to cover for the fact the economy would no longer support a middle-class standard of living to a single income family.

Income inequality has continued to rise for the past forty years, to the point dual, and single income households have to rely on credit to maintain the illusion of a middle-class lifestyle.

*The real value of the federal minimum wage has dropped 17% since 2009 and 31% since 1968. Workers earning the federal minimum wage today have $6,800 less per year to spend on food, rent, and other essentials than did their counterparts 50 years ago.

*The inflation rate in the United States between 1980 and today has been 239.78%, which translates into a total increase of $239.78. This means that 100 dollars in 1980 are equivalent to 339.78 dollars in 2021. In other words, the purchasing power of $100 in 1980 equals $339.78 today.

*Total debt has increased since 2019 -- we estimate the average (mean) household debt in 2020 to be around $145,000 and the median to be approximately $67,000 in 2020.

Society is going haywire for lots of reasons. Income inequality is one of the biggest and falls on the neo-liberal policies which began with Reagan and have continued since then with each successive president, both Democrats and Republicans are too blame, and both Democrats and Republicans aren't going to change the system. They benefit from it.

[–]Node 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (4 children)

You need to go back to 1965 to see one of the biggest impacts on wages, and on the very fabric of our society.

And yes, the D vs R game is the distraction to keep the masses divided and confused.

[–][deleted] 3 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 2 fun -  (3 children)

I provided a detailed response and data in regards to your claim that women in the workplace are the cause of income inequality. You didn't refute my response, you just restated your response. If you can't address my points, you concede the argument.

Do you agree capitalist sold women's liberation as a means to reduce wages and increase their profits?

[–][deleted] 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (8 children)

Why wouldn't we allow women in the military? You realize women, as far as I'm aware, don't serve in combat roles. They serve in support roles. Logistics, cooking, supply, paper-pushing, motor-pools, etc.

Women aren't trying to be like men, matter of fact, the creation of S+ came about because of Men trying to be like women, and essentially infringing on their rights, and are currently attacking the definition of what a woman is with little apparent pushback from society.

Equality seems like oppression when you're accustomed to privilege

[–]Node 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (7 children)

Why wouldn't we allow women in the military?

Because females are a distraction, and their presence changes the nature of male relationships. If you're looking for a weaker and less effective military, then sure, flood it with women.

Women aren't trying to be like men

They're just coincidentally happening to be taking on male roles?

Equality seems like oppression when you're accustomed to privilege

Women didn't choose this of their own volition. There's been a concerted campaign to push women out of their 'privileged' role in the family.

[–][deleted] 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (6 children)

Females are a distraction? To who? Are you from Saudi Arabia? Does a little ankle give you a boner? My brother and one of my best friends are Ex-military. My brother actually met his wife in the military. She was a cook, he was a EOD tech. They both ranked up to E6 or so, whatever a Sergeant is.

If a soldier is distracted by a female, he's mentally weak, and needs to get smoked to build up his discipline. Even if they weren't in the military, women would still be on base and around soldiers because our military contracts a lot of work to civilians. Abroad our soldiers are around females of the civilian population there, and I think it's probably better for them to be socialized to women.

Also, the article is about a man killing two women and their son for wanting to have their space free of men. Link me a story of a woman killing a couple of men for not being allowed in their space. I'd be interested to read up on it, and be educated.

[–]Node 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (5 children)

Females are a distraction? To who? Are you from Saudi Arabia? Does a little ankle give you a boner?

Are you literally still in high school?

[–][deleted] 3 insightful - 3 fun3 insightful - 2 fun4 insightful - 3 fun -  (4 children)

Nope. But the way you talk about women, makes me think you may have just hit puberty.

[–][deleted] 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (12 children)

Dude, I go hiking with my guy friends. Camping too. We watch sports together and play bball together. That's normal behavior. Where the hell do you live? Or are you one them dudes that's always trying to play the oppression card?

[–]Node 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (11 children)

Where the hell do you live? Or are you one them dudes that's always trying to play the oppression card?

Are you one of the new people? I'm guessing you don't remember how it used to be.

[–][deleted] 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (10 children)

I'm a dude. I hang out with my dude friends plenty without any women infringing on our rights to do so. Bball, hiking, camping, going out to the bar, and poker. Can you not do the same?

[–]Node 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (9 children)

So you concede that you're one of the new people.

[–][deleted] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (8 children)

Maybe. Define that term.

[–]Node 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (7 children)

Well, are you a kid under 40-50? Then you would be one of the new people lacking the lived experience of those with more data from the less propaganda-infused time. There was definitely propaganda and brainwashing, but of a different type and intensity.

The further under you are, the less context you'd have, and the less ability to even grasp how the missing data has affected your cognition. I mean, anyone now can try to look up historical data, but google, faceberg, jewtube, and all the rest prohibit and delete counter-narrative information. Kids today live in a kind of Disney Land/World environment, where everything is curated to create useful beliefs and opinions.

Let me just say it this way. I assume you've had sex with a human female, right? Before that happened, could someone have explained to you what it's like to have sex, and how that experience would change your perspectives and view of the world?

[–][deleted] 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (6 children)

Lol!!! Oh, man. You're such a boomer, waxin' philosophic about how you're totes right cause your data, which you never produced, is somehow more valid than the data I produced, because of your lived experience of the time. So, essentially you want me to accept your biased unsupported opinion cause you're old and you know better. Hahaha!!!

Lived experience provides a certain level of context but it doesn't make someone an automatic expert on a given topic. A soldier who served in Vietnam could tell me about his experience and offer some insights into things, but that doesn't mean he'd be able to tell me the geo-political causes of the war, the history of the Vietnamese people, how French colonization impacted them, and a number of other things. Those are things which come out after the fact, often when historians and other academics start to study the period, gathering qualitative and quantatative data and information. Also, he'd have a high level of bias in telling his story. In his view, the Vietnamese may have been terrorist, but to the Vietnamese they were fighting for the sovereignty of their nation.

Jewtube..., Jesus Christ. What's with all the crypto-fascist on this site?

I do agree we live in the age of the echo-chamber. And I agree it's the work of a Power Elite, which C. Wright Mills identified in his book, The Power Elite, who are more or less running the show and maintaining the system. The Power Elite consist of three classes: Political, Business (including media), and the Military. These Power Elites shared common interest in maintaining the current system and investing in its continued propagation as it's what gives them their Elite status. It provides them with money, power, and influence.

There's a reason the government has allowed mega corporations to monopolize the media industry and the tech industry. They play for the same team. You're not dropping knowledge on me with anything you've said.

Words and explanations can never truly capture a lived experience. Of course someones explanation of sex is going to fall short of the real thing, but that doesn't mean what they say doesn't help to provide some context. That's not profound, that's common knowledge. But someone's explanation of a shared lived experience isn't common and will vary greatly. If you told me your first sexual experience was terrible, traumatic and left you scarred for life, it'd be a lot different than someone who's experience was amazing, awesome and great.

If some boomer KKK man tells me racism was overblown during the Jim Crow era, I'm gonna give their opinion a lot less weight and validity, than I would a black person who actually experienced a cross burning on their front yard and had a cousin who was lynched for whistling at a white woman.

And again, this is where the historians and other academics give us a clearer, more concise picture of the time.

[–]Tom_Bombadil 2 insightful - 3 fun2 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 3 fun -  (4 children)

I believe destroying that ability for men to gather without women present was one of the key factors in undermining our society.

You may be correct about this.

As for the secret societies, it's less hilarious than insidious and creepy, given the power they end up having over the masses. Maybe some of the frats are just weirdos though.

I agree with this, as well.

I'm pooping in their secret pool.

[–][deleted] 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

You spend too much time on the internet. I kick it with my guy friends all the time. Bball, poker, hiking, camping, bars, and watching sports games. We don't have a He-Man woman hater's club though, we like having the girls around, and we have dual sex hangouts with them for some things, holidays and birthday parties or other big events.

I think you're projecting your failure to make friends and blaming it on women. If you said any of what you said around non-misogynist, you'd be labeled a weirdo. Maybe that's your problem. The Free Masons, The Shriners, The Bull-Mooses and all those other groups are exclusively male. They also have secret handshakes and paraphenilia, rituals and such. That might be more up your alley

[–]Tom_Bombadil 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

I kick it with my guy friends all the time. Bball, poker, hiking, camping, bars, and watching sports games.

You deserve an award for generic writing.

I'm sure your "guy friends" get up for high-five's and bear hugs after every "sports game" score.

When you kick it.

we like having the girls around, and we have dual sex hangouts with them for some things, holidays and birthday parties or other big events.

I have a difficult time believing this absurd nonsense is an authentic comment.

/s/ballinlikebarkley is clearly a charmer who knows his way around "the girls".

;-)

[–][deleted] 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

You still haven't given us any evidence of women infringing on men's rights to hang out together. You've been asked several times how and in what instances this has happened to you, and you keep dodging the question.

Answer the questions: Be specific. 1. How are women keeping you from hanging out with other men?
2. What male only spaces have they invaded and pushed you out of?

[–]Tom_Bombadil 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

You've been asked several times how and in what instances this has happened to you, and you keep dodging the question.

Wrong again.

[–]jet199[S] 5 insightful - 2 fun5 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

Where is it not the case?

There are male only clubs everywhere.

[–][deleted] 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

That's a good point, also there can be ethnic exclusive groups as long as they're not white groups.

[–][deleted] 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

This was in the comments:

This is the second “receipt of doctor’s report” – the first was 7/18. No idea if the doctor’s report is for a “Not Guilty by Reason of Insanity” defense- which would mean a trial is imminent, or “Incompetence to Stand Trial”, which would keep pushing the trial back.

I don't know if anyone noticed but he looks like he might be ill in his mugshot.

[–]kwallio 3 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

I think he is going for the twinkie defense.