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[–]JulienMayfair 11 insightful - 2 fun11 insightful - 1 fun12 insightful - 2 fun -  (13 children)

We've had s/LGBDropTheT here for 7-8 months with no major problems. We were attacked far more often on Reddit.

The larger problem is that gender ideology is now being taught at all levels of education. Being pro-gender ideology has now become a way to prove how virtuous you are to all your friends. People risk social ostracization and even loss of employment for criticizing it. Women are some of the main voices demanding that male-bodied athletes be allowed in women's sports.

The interesting part is when you look at the history of gender ideology, it was really only a VERY small number of people who invented and disseminated it, but several of them were well-positioned in internet technology jobs and pressured tech companies to embrace it. Riki Wilchins is a big name here, and they had rich backers like Jennifer Pritzker.

I taught at major universities for twenty years, ending in 2010, and throughout all those years, sometimes having as many as 120 students per semester, I never had a single openly trans-identified student in any of my classes. Think about that. Then, it got on Tumblr and got promoted to a lot of young kids.

If it seems like all this came out of nowhere, that's not far from true. It was a small group of people who managed to use their leverage to spread these ideas across the culture and deplatform any critics.

[–]ComfortableEqual 6 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 0 fun7 insightful - 1 fun -  (5 children)

Great insight. Thank you.

What I find bizarre is from my time hanging out with transvestites about 10 years ago, many were super conservative. The adoption of this 'cause' by the Left will finally kill it I think.

[–]BEB 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

There has actually been at least one poll or study that I believe was in the US, which found that I think it was trans-identified males ("transwomen") leaned conservative. Sorry to be so vague, but it was discussed on GC spaces.

[–]jet199 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

[–]BEB 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

That could be it, but I could have sworn the study I was thinking about was American and last year. However, I could very well be wrong and the study you linked IS the one I was thinking of.

[–]jet199 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

Well yeah, the only way you can believe in trans logic is if you believe in a very conservative idea innate of gender roles.

[–]JulienMayfair 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

I mean, there's a trail of comments online by transwomen who say things like "the essence of being a woman is to be fucked" or shit like that. They say they experience their femininity when they're dominated and humiliated, and they act like we can't go to their subreddits and read them talking like this.

[–]BEB 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

A study released in January 2019 by the US Center for Disease Control found that almost 2% of US high school students identified as transgender.

In a high school or 2000 that's around 40 students - does anyone remember 40 transgender students in their high school? Anyone who can't see this is a fad is in denial. But far from an organic fad, the transgender fad is top down, driven by people with a vested interest, as JulienMayfair notes.

[–]JulienMayfair 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

I'm over 50, and in all those years of being a gay man, there is only ONE person I knew who transitioned. Including that person, I met ~3 trans people during the entire decade of the 1990s, living in a major California city. Prior to 1991, it was zero.

[–]79malibu350 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

So, are us straight folks welcome to join up on that one?

[–]Happy_Blueberry3910[S] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

What you wrote is extremely interesting. Do you know any articles with more details about this?

[–]JulienMayfair 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

I'm sure there are more people who can fill in details and give references both on s/LGBDropTheT and s/GenderCritical. I know there's one article out there that traces the influence of money in the astroturfing that's gone on in spreading gender ideology.

I saw a lot of it happening personally because I was in academia at the time. I attended talks by Judith Butler. I saw Women's Studies departments morph into Gender Studies.

One of the big reasons I got into this was the massive lies that the TRAs told about gay history, which I was very familiar with. Their attempt to coopt Stonewall with lies about who did what really infuriated me. They would say things like, "If it wasn't for trans people, you wouldn't HAVE any civil rights!!!" Now, I'm old enough to know better, and that's one thing that tipped me off to the kind of people I was dealing with: people who would tell any kind of lie to advance their cause.

[–]Happy_Blueberry3910[S] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

How about books or documentaries? I'm not from the USA but I guess that there should be something about LGBs betrayed by left-wing activists.

[–]JulienMayfair 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Try Douglas Murray's latest book, The Madness of Crowds.